Hibs V Aberdeen

[DondyDan]

Just playing devil's advocate here, and not necessarily what I believe, but maybe the players did it for the fans and should be applauded.

A large portion of the fan base have wanted shot of Goodwin since we came back from the World Cup break, some before that, and some before he even got the job. Perhaps the players have picked up on this and shared our frustration at team selection, tactics and so on. As a result they downed tools to help force what we all wanted.

It might not be a lack of respect for the club. It might be more the case they have grown to love the club and the fans. Maybe they (like us) feel that those paying their hard earned cash deserve a manager who can train his squad properly and who is tactically astute.

Maybe they hate going to training every day because they know it's got no structure and direction, and as a result the product offered at 3pm on a Saturday (all games should be played at 3pm on a saturday, like all test matches should start on a Thursday) will not reflect their capabilities or what we deserve.

Maybe, like the striking nurses, ambulance drivers et al, they love their jobs but feel they deserve better than a halfwit in charge of their destinities.

Maybe they have done it for us, tried to force for us what we want and deserve. Done it in the hope of bringing in a manager with a clue who can move us forward. What we all want. A shared belief in the potential and rightful place of our great club.

Maybe Shinnie came back and went "what the f**k has happened here? Right lads, let's get this clown out and I'll show you what this great club means".

Or maybe they're a bunch if lazy petulant charltans who have no pride in return for their decent monthly pay check.

I guess their showing, and any change in spirits, under the next manager will help clarify.

But what they do know is that RJs list of potential managers, and his idea of realistic ambition (which granted is very admirable) is total pie in the sky stuff.

[GASC1980]

6-0? Pfffft we'll overturn that in the return leg.

In other news, I see Jeremiah got his tap room done in pre match along with the Iona.

More fight off the park than on it.

[Don Julio]

Picking up on DondyDan, I understand why folks are saying get rid of them all, etc., no character, not fit to wear the shirt….

But just pause for a second and remember that Shinnie and Hayes were both on the pitch. I can’t see that they can be put into that category. We have years of evidence of the opposite. Yet Shinnie didn’t even get on the pitch at Darvel and both looked shadows of themselves yesterday.

Is it not possible that the team were so dispirited by Goodwin’s management style, tactics, etc. that they became less than 100% up for it? They’re only human.

And what on earth is going on with Besuijen? Not even on the bench yesterday.

Can’t stand Richard Foster but am inclined to agree with him that the players had just had enough.

Personally, I wouldn’t write them all off. Not like we can afford to anyway.

[TheDeeDon]

And what on earth is going on with Besuijen? Not even on the bench yesterday.

Vinnie and Richardson were left out as better players in the squad deserved the places more.
Vinnie appears to have been bommed out and appears Richardson too, who went from playing bad every week to not getting a look in at all.

Both players cost fees too.

Be interesting to see who starts and how we play on Wednesday night now that JG has left the building.

[Shetland Don]

Vinnie and Richardson were left out as better players in the squad deserved the places more.
Vinnie appears to have been bommed out and appears Richardson too, who went from playing bad every week to not getting a look in at all.

Both players cost fees too.

Be interesting to see who starts and how we play on Wednesday night now that JG has left the building.

Strange. I’ve never seen Vinnie have a bad game but I’ve never seen Richardson have a good one though!

[TheDeeDon]

Strange. I’ve never seen Vinnie have a bad game but I’ve never seen Richardson have a good one though!

Never seen Vinnie have a bad game, really? He's not a bad player, but does go MIA during games.
Read he may be away before Wednesday too, if inclined to believe Twitter.

[rico94]

The problem with the majority of these players is that they seem to be spineless and clearly don’t care about the club and fans.

What happens if they don’t like the next manager?

They will just down tool’s again,clearly no professional pride in most of them.

Major clear out needed in the summer again,the current players just can’t be trusted.

[TheDeeDon]

The problem with the majority of these players is that they seem to be spineless and clearly don’t care about the club and fans.

What happens if they don’t like the next manager?

They will just down tool’s again,clearly no professional pride in most of them.

Major clear out needed in the summer again,the current players just can’t be trusted.

I'm sure they care, at least most of them will, but we will never know what went on between them and Goodwin.
I know nothing about what goes on at the club internally, but I am convinced there was a major breakdown of trust between manager and players.
We all will have worked for a manager we cannot stand and sure it happens a lot in football.
If it was something to do with a falling out with Goodwin, we should see an improvement on Wednesday night and I hope we do.
The only way we move forward is by winning games and I am sure any players coming the ***t will soon be out the door.

[Bisconti's balls]

It all began in atlanta the players trust was broken etc, look if that is not the case and the players continue to serve up insipid **** then I'd tear up at least 6/7 players contracts & loans.

[rico94]

I'm sure they care, at least most of them will, but we will never know what went on between them and Goodwin.
I know nothing about what goes on at the club internally, but I am convinced there was a major breakdown of trust between manager and players.
We all will have worked for a manager we cannot stand and sure it happens a lot in football.
If it was something to do with a falling out with Goodwin, we should see an improvement on Wednesday night and I hope we do.
The only way we move forward is by winning games and I am sure any players coming the ***t will soon be out the door.

The problem with that is it’s not just Goodwin though is it.

The rumours this time 2 years ago was that the players stopped playing for McInnes,Stephen Glass came in and there wasn’t much of reaction.

Then last season we went on that 2 month winless run and Cormack claimed the players asked him not to sack Glass.We managed to win a few games then it turned back to the same pish and Glass got sacked.Again there wasn’t really any reaction when Goodwin came in.

To be honest I think it started to go downhill once Cormack took over in 2019,not sure what goes on behind the scenes but something is not quite right at the club and I doubt it’s just all down to the managers.

Let’s see where we are this time next year,we could easily looking for a 5th manager in 3 years.