Sturgeonland

[InversneckieDob]

Yes but why give people who don't just vote on one issue the excuse not to vote ?

Oh that's true.
But I'm not talking about floating voters, playing the PR game is important for them.
And what appeals, or doesn't appeal, to the electorate....I've long since given up trying to work out.
It's committed independence supporters who shy away from voting SNP for some perceived wrong that I can't fathom.

[donsdaft]

Do they?

I've never really thought about it before but every SNP vote I've ever made was a vote for independence, not a vote for the party itself.

I never saw the SNP lasting five minutes in an independent Scotland, their main problem is that they have had to govern too long.

We need a change of government but not the bloody labour party, so a complete change within the SNP is the only way.

[InversneckieDob]

Please don't take this the wrong way but you are missing the point.

It's not people like you that will deliver independence I'm afraid as you are already "a vote in the bag", but there are not enough in that category to deliver independence as has been proven over the last eight years. The only way to get well above the 50% mark in the near term is to convert NO's to YES's (eventually demographics will help but that could be more than a decade away). The point that DD is making is that of the three candidates only Kate Forbes has a chance of doing that as the "acceptable face of independence" to NO voters - Houmsa is just Nicola mark 2 without the charisma and Ash is just too bat**** crazy

Aye, I get that.....I mentioned that in the previous post.
Politics is a personality driven game these days (I'm auld enough to remember when substance trumped style).

If a Kate Forbes led SNP can make good, crack on.
And if she can keep her nonsense out of policy and legislature, crack on more.

My anecdotal experience of the Frees is that they canna, but I'd be delighted to be proved wrong.

[InversneckieDob]

I saw her various interviews on Sunday and it got me thinking. We are pretty quick to call out certain teams bigotry based beliefs so are we not in danger of being in similar mind by discounting her simply on the basis of where she chooses to place her faith?

I should point out that I know very little about the wee free church or whatever it is called so you being a bit further North may have a better insight in to their goings on.

Devout Wee Frees are a collection.

Rumour has it they're nae allowed to sh@g standing up in case the Lord thinks they're dancing.

As I said, if Kate Forbes keeps her nonsense out of policy and legislature, and education, then I have no issue with her believing what she wants to believe.

[InversneckieDob]

Do they?

I've never really thought about it before but every SNP vote I've ever made was a vote for independence, not a vote for the party itself.

I never saw the SNP lasting five minutes in an independent Scotland, their main problem is that they have had to govern too long.

We need a change of government but not the bloody labour party, so a complete change within the SNP is the only way.

I'm in the same boat.
The SNP's problem now is, they are the natural party of government.
They have to balance the pursuit of independence with the real politik of government.
And handling a hostile, pro Unionist, media into the bargain.

[donsdaft]

Aye it's nae easy.

Better to keep madness out of the equation though and just govern quietly.

[mondo_notion]

Rumour has it they're nae allowed to sh@g standing up in case the Lord thinks they're dancing.

I'm now thinking what dance the Lord would think I was doing if he ever saw me sh*gging standing up.

[Shetland Don]

The real point here in my view is:- does anyone on here, party-politics aside, think that the former FM, as leader of the SNP, is anything other than culpable for the complete and utter waste of around £200M of our, the public’s funds? Please answer objectively.

Could any dissenters please give a reasoned and reasonable explanation to support their contrary views and try to avoid personal insults - no unreadable pink maps either please, SD

[Mason89]

The real point here in my view is:- does anyone on here, party-politics aside, think that the former FM, as leader of the SNP, is anything other than culpable for the complete and utter waste of around £200M of our, the public’s funds? Please answer objectively.

Could any dissenters please give a reasoned and reasonable explanation to support their contrary views and try to avoid personal insults - no unreadable pink maps either please, SD

I will, right after you answer the question I asked you. I’ll swerve this one until then

[Shetland Don]

The ball is in your court if you care track back through the thread. I’d have tried to put a proper and robust procurement process in place in the first instance.