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The electric car debate is a bit of a red herring with climate change. They are definitely a better option than ICE cars but there is far more energy that goes into the manufacturing of cars than the utility of them. Having said that we should electrify everything possible ready for renewable sources then it doesn't matter.
This debate (which is fascinating and enjoyable to hear the range of views) has got a little stuck in the role of the individual. The answers to Climate change will only be addressed in systematic and radical changes. Electric cars need a common infrastructure so that a drive to the Alps is simple and an energy from renewable sources ditto any transport , an end of life plan for all inanimate objects and a waste recycling infrastructure to ensure all materials are recycled etc etc.
in terms of politics and the role of individuals in afraid to say that we rely on both being void of vested interest alternatively a 3rd world war will sort this out quite quickly.
i also think that the ideologies of capitalism and socialism are insufficient to deal with the global changes we face to today. After all they were devised a long time ago under a different context
This is an interesting post. I appear to have upset and annoyed you by doing little more than quoting from your own contributions to the thread. I have never called you a hypocrite or criticised you save, perhaps, for my comments about your apparent desire to eat insects.
Why should I detail what I do? I haven't claimed any form of virtue or moral superiority over others in the way that you have. It could have been nothing other than hubris that drove you to assert that you suspected that your 'carbon footprint' was smaller than mine - we don't know each other.
Does the Roly household still have a Sunday roast? What was it today? I'm guessing pork.
...but don't panic too much kerr the socialists will never get at your possessions because you will go over the precipice with em.
Weird cos 10 years ago Kerr was your typical lefty SJW type.
Loads of "whataboutery" when the news about those grooming gangs came out.
This story sums up the liberal left for me, virtue signalling to puff up their egos and stopping a rapist being deported.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-rapist.html
Last edited by great_fire; 13-10-2018 at 11:36 PM.
CAM - sorry I got this wrong. So much for relying on second hand info.
The smartphone stat includes the data end of the process (and not just charging the phone).
This is quoted text from the article... 'If you worry about climate change and a cause celebre such as the expansion of Heathrow airport, it is worth considering that data centres are set to soon have a bigger carbon footprint than the entire aviation industry...'
Also...'I was reminded of all this by the recently published book New Dark Age, by the British writer James Bridle. He cites a study in Japan that suggests that by 2030, the power requirements of digital services will outstrip the nation’s entire current generation capacity.'
The article is worth reading.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-data-centres