Mark Ogren....

[GUNBOAT]

The media never hammered United for asking fans for more money,they mainly focussed on the wages to turnover ratio and the debt on the last balance sheet.We were laughed at on Radio Scotland for criticizing both government's for lack of financial support when we were already millions in the red before the pandemic arrived.
From what i can remember at the time we were praised for our efforts in supporting the club but the owner and his Sporting Director left us open to ridicule and even the Funsters jumped in,that's what really happened.

[AraBrian]

The media never hammered United for asking fans for more money,they mainly focussed on the wages to turnover ratio and the debt on the last balance sheet.We were laughed at on Radio Scotland for criticizing both government's for lack of financial support when we were already millions in the red before the pandemic arrived.
From what i can remember at the time we were praised for our efforts in supporting the club but the owner and his Sporting Director left us open to ridicule and even the Funsters jumped in,that's what really happened.

Yeah some trolling funsters tried to make out that the foundation helping utd was a bad thing looking for a bite and seems they got it.

[tHeArAb]

There will be a point where he has put in enough and want's out if he can't turn the loss's around I agree it's the same with anyone in the world just different amounts they are willing to invest.You reckon he will bail when debts reach £6 million or so what are they now? that might not take 3 or 4 years.The more the foundation put in along with other ways of raising funds the less chance of that hitting the £6 million or whatever mark in the pandemic.You havera problem with the foundation helping the club while a millionaire also helps the club you think he should do it on his own.How much do you think he should pump in to utd before you think the foundation should try to help out?He has already put in £4.7 million plus money he paid to buy club and whatever he has put in since accounts not sure how much altogether but to me loads of money to you obviously not enough money.How much do you reckon he has put in altogether?How much do you reckon he is worth?How much do you think he should put in before he asks the foundation to help?

The answer to all those questions I'm sure you could find somewhere. I really can't be bothered trying to find out. It's a concern that two years after buying the club he's on the borrow for such a small amount in the grand scheme of things. It's a concern he see us as a money making project. Its a concern he's taking all of the Foundation money without finding other avenues of income. Its a concern he wants football stopped. Its a concern he's putting all his faith in running our club in a football agent. Its all a bit of a concern.

[GUNBOAT]

The answer to all those questions I'm sure you could find somewhere. I really can't be bothered trying to find out. It's a concern that two years after buying the club he's on the borrow for such a small amount in the grand scheme of things. It's a concern he see us as a money making project. Its a concern he's taking all of the Foundation money without finding other avenues of income. Its a concern he wants football stopped. Its a concern he's putting all his faith in running our club in a football agent. Its all a bit of a concern.

Great post.When the vote came through and the DUSF agreed to put more money into the club did the owner go to bed that night thinking thank phuck we're saved?,i don't think so.Its more likely he thought i feel better now that its not just me losing money on this business.
What he fail's to acknowledge is many of the fans who put money into his business did so not knowing if we were promoted,not knowing if they would be allowed to take their seat,not knowing if they would have a job in the coming months and not even knowing if they would survive the pandemic to ever set foot in Tannadice again.
Rather than asking for more money publicly Mark and Tony should have issued a statement saluting the backing the fans gave to the club which when you add it all up was unprecedented in the club's history.

[AraBrian]

Great post.When the vote came through and the DUSF agreed to put more money into the club did the owner go to bed that night thinking thank phuck we're saved?,i don't think so.Its more likely he thought i feel better now that its not just me losing money on this business.
What he fail's to acknowledge is many of the fans who put money into his business did so not knowing if we were promoted,not knowing if they would be allowed to take their seat,not knowing if they would have a job in the coming months and not even knowing if they would survive the pandemic to ever set foot in Tannadice again.
Rather than asking for more money publicly Mark and Tony should have issued a statement saluting the backing the fans gave to the club which when you add it all up was unprecedented in the club's history.

Everyone of fans who have helped and are still helping the club through this have done great like the money they paid for seasons etc but don't think any have put anything like the owner in to save our club and keep it going.I personally would thank him for the money he has invested and keeps investing it has done a lot more to help utd than my season money and other wee bits I do to help.It is also my club has been for a long time so would expect me and others to rally and buy seasons and give donations etc while he is just a business man trying to make a few bob.

[GUNBOAT]

Everyone of fans who have helped and are still helping the club through this have done great like the money they paid for seasons etc but don't think any have put anything like the owner in to save our club and keep it going.I personally would thank him for the money he has invested and keeps investing it has done a lot more to help utd than my season money and other wee bits I do to help.It is also my club has been for a long time so would expect me and others to rally and buy seasons and give donations etc while he is just a business man trying to make a few bob.

If Mark Ogren is worth what he is supposed to be and BTW that is now a big IF,then on a pro rata basis i and many other fans would be at least on equal terms with the owner on what we have put into the club this season and we arnie FN moaning about it.
Its also a FACT that we are not attempting to make money out of the club,quite the reverse is true.Why am i not hearing Hamilton,ST Mirren,ST Johnstone,Motherwell,Livingston and Kilmarnock slating both government's for not providing financial assistance and asking fans for more money?.
The only other owner of a club roughly our size who has said anything of note was Bill Bowie of Kilmarnock who warned the fans that they would be taking the loan.

[AraBrian]

If Mark Ogren is worth what he is supposed to be and BTW that is now a big IF,then on a pro rata basis i and many other fans would be at least on equal terms with the owner on what we have put into the club this season and we arnie FN moaning about it.
Its also a FACT that we are not attempting to make money out of the club,quite the reverse is true.Why am i not hearing Hamilton,ST Mirren,ST Johnstone,Motherwell,Livingston and Kilmarnock slating both government's for not providing financial assistance and asking fans for more money?.
The only other owner of a club roughly our size who has said anything of note was Bill Bowie of Kilmarnock who warned the fans that they would be taking the loan.

How much is it he is supposed to be worth and why is it a big if?There must be an amount he is worth if you are not happy with the amount of his money he is putting in I would think you would have to know what he is worth and how much of that is disposable so he can just put it into our club would also have to think you would know exactly how much he has put in up to now to complain he is not putting in enough.Well most of us are not moaning about how much the fans have put in but some are they are complaining that the foundation money is being used to help our club when they think it should be kept in the bank and the business man who has said from the very start he is in this to make money should pay for everything.I personally think most members of foundation are happy to give utd the money are raising to help them obviously some are not and probably voted not to help utd doubt it would have made any difference though as I say think most will be happy to help think that is reason most joined foundation.Can't speak for majority of fans but don't think majority would expect owner just to keep punting money in nonstop without some help from fans even if he has unlimited finances.I do agree as I have said that saying season should be stopped etc was stupid and doing business with foundation in public was stupid and just gets some supporters upset.

[AraBrian]

The answer to all those questions I'm sure you could find somewhere. I really can't be bothered trying to find out. It's a concern that two years after buying the club he's on the borrow for such a small amount in the grand scheme of things. It's a concern he see us as a money making project. Its a concern he's taking all of the Foundation money without finding other avenues of income. Its a concern he wants football stopped. Its a concern he's putting all his faith in running our club in a football agent. Its all a bit of a concern.

So really you are slagging the owner for not just writting blank checks over and over till he runs out of his millions when you don't know how much he has pumped in you just know it's not nearly enough you don't know how much he is worth and how much spare cash he has to keep pumping in if any.He may have other business's that he is also pumping money into just now.He has said from the start he saw us as a money making venture why has that just started bothering you?Don't think he has taken all the foundations money think he has been given or lent foundations money big difference as most foundation members were happy to help club.Agree with the nonsense about wanting football stopped think that was just toys out the pram about hearts etc getting our money from scottish goverment while they were getting millions from there foundation and more from benefactors while us and others were getting nothing from our tax money.

[JamesMcClean]

If we think the Covid crisis is bad with Big Tone and the Ogrens in charge, just picture what it would have been like had the Snake still had his grubby mittens on our Club. It would have been a phucking schitshow.

[tHeArAb]

So really you are slagging the owner for not just writting blank checks over and over till he runs out of his millions when you don't know how much he has pumped in you just know it's not nearly enough you don't know how much he is worth and how much spare cash he has to keep pumping in if any.He may have other business's that he is also pumping money into just now.He has said from the start he saw us as a money making venture why has that just started bothering you?Don't think he has taken all the foundations money think he has been given or lent foundations money big difference as most foundation members were happy to help club.Agree with the nonsense about wanting football stopped think that was just toys out the pram about hearts etc getting our money from scottish goverment while they were getting millions from there foundation and more from benefactors while us and others were getting nothing from our tax money.

Mate, for the second time, I'm not slagging the owner. I'm concerned at how our club is being run.

Anyway, you're a very hard man to have a balanced debate with so I'll leave it there. Enjoy your day.