Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

Are you suggesting Mr Ali wasn't a proper Labour candidate? I think Sunak and Starmer are both trying to hold a tiger by the tail, just different tigers. Someone said elsewhere something like 'this isn't a big issue with voters', I totally beg to differ and think 'it' will be a vote winner for both sides depending on GE candidates stated or assumed views

That's the divide and conflict Andy

1. Vote for me, I'm putting Muslim issues first, even those not in the country
2. Vote for me, I'm not letting immigrants dictate the tone of politics in this country.

RESULT= MP'S NOW IN THE FIRING LINE , depending on their stance on the topic
You are not sitting on the sidelines anymore boys and girls

[Trickytreesreds]

so Gallaway wins in grooming gang utopia, on the back of Gaza first?

Still don't think there's a problem?

https://news.sky.com/story/rochdale-...-wins-13084132

[ramAnag]

so Gallaway wins in grooming gang utopia, on the back of Gaza first?

Still don't think there's a problem?

https://news.sky.com/story/rochdale-...-wins-13084132

Who’s suggested there isn’t a problem? There are obviously huge problems, both worldwide and domestically but George Galloway is almost an irrelevance.
He’s stepped in, in his inimitable way, to fill a vacuum and take personal advantage. It’s typical Galloway, the other Parties, including those more likely to have your support, couldn’t profit from Labour’s c@ck up, but he’ll still be gone at the General Election when he’s replaced by a more carefully selected Labour candidate.

Funny thing, as Andy has already intimated, there was very little of the ‘Muslim bashing’ stuff on this thread prior to your return. I think it took you about two posts before the ‘grooming gang’, ‘terrorist’, they’re taking over the world anti Muslim rants started…so there is a problem, yes…and folk like you are a huge part of it.

[Trickytreesreds]

Who’s suggested there isn’t a problem? There are obviously huge problems, both worldwide and domestically but George Galloway is almost an irrelevance.
He’s stepped in, in his inimitable way, to fill a vacuum and take personal advantage. It’s typical Galloway, the other Parties, including those more likely to have your support, couldn’t profit from Labour’s c@ck up, but he’ll still be gone at the General Election when he’s replaced by a more carefully selected Labour candidate.

Funny thing, as Andy has already intimated, there was very little of the ‘Muslim bashing’ stuff on this thread prior to your return. I think it took you about two posts before the ‘grooming gang’, ‘terrorist’, they’re taking over the world anti Muslim rants started…so there is a problem, yes…and folk like you are a huge part of it.

No RA, the pronblem is with folks like you, who have ignored the problem/excused it/ covered it up. It has grown and festered and been allowed to spread its tentacles throughout the system.
There was 100+ Labour MP's who wanted Labour to have a pro palestine stance before Sir Hoyle was hung out to dry,
Starmer didn't want to confront it either.

Little tip for you, Islamophobia wants everyone to not criticise Islam and be quiet. This is the result.
Give it long enough, blasphemy laws will be next.

You talk about me, but lets take Gallaway, whos tapped into a growing cult that goes against everything that's considered fair in Britain.
Starmer needs to sort his house out fast, as remnants of the Corbyn regime are growing in bravery.

GP was/is right British politics is a right mess.

The chaos of Sweden isn't that far away, sorry for talking about it.

[ramAnag]

No RA, the pronblem is with folks like you, who have ignored the problem/excused it/ covered it up. It has grown and festered and been allowed to spread its tentacles throughout the system.
There was 100+ Labour MP's who wanted Labour to have a pro palestine stance before Sir Hoyle was hung out to dry,
Starmer didn't want to confront it either.

Little tip for you, Islamophobia wants everyone to not criticise Islam and be quiet. This is the result.
Give it long enough, blasphemy laws will be next.

You talk about me, but lets take Gallaway, whos tapped into a growing cult that goes against everything that's considered fair in Britain.
Starmer needs to sort his house out fast, as remnants of the Corbyn regime are growing in bravery.

GP was/is right British politics is a right mess.

The chaos of Sweden isn't that far away, sorry for talking about it.

I’m not disputing that GP is right and that ‘British politics is a right mess’, but to say that I’ve ‘ignored, excused and covered up’ the problem is laughable…and the only thing Galloway has tapped into is the vacuum left by the absence of an official Labour candidate and the fact that over 60% of Rochdale’s electorate stayed at home.

[Trickytreesreds]

I’m not disputing that GP is right and that ‘British politics is a right mess’, but to say that I’ve ‘ignored, excused and covered up’ the problem is laughable…and the only thing Galloway has tapped into is the vacuum left by the absence of an official Labour candidate and the fact that over 60% of Rochdale’s electorate stayed at home.

Sorry RA that's not true.
Take the fiasco of the grooming gangs, which still goes on. Your answer to it everytime was, but but but there are White British peados as well.

Yes of course, but they are not operating in a tight catchment area, targetting vulnerable white girls only and belonging to a particular religion, from the same part of the world.
The native peado;s aren't being avoided by the social services/ councils/police either in case it causes a racial back lash.

That is the problem, stop being in denial and call out ANY PROBLEM ANYWHERE, no matter who it offends.
There is way too much cowardice in the authorities, to deal with issues caused by ethnic minorities in case it rocks the boat. If we are to be a multi cultural nation, then law/accontablity applies to all.

How bad is it, when a Muslin issue, thousands of miles away, is used a main selling point in a political campaign. Just to curry favour with Islam voters?
Obviously, Islam is more important to some, than the running of a country.

[Andy_Faber]

1. Who’s suggested there isn’t a problem? There are obviously huge problems, both worldwide and domestically

2. but George Galloway is almost an irrelevance.

3. more carefully selected Labour candidate.

4. Funny thing, as Andy has already intimated, there was very little of the ‘Muslim bashing’ stuff on this thread prior to your return. and folk like you are a huge part of it.

1. I think you rA and TTR are talking about different problems, in fact I think you are talking about almost the exact OPPOSITE problem - If I may guess, The Rise of Islam v. The demonisation of Islam

2. I'm not so sure, my guess is that both major parties have seen the impact a decent orator (you must admit) with the right message has in terms of voter impact. (superficially or genuine) Pro-Palestine Labour GE candidates may see this positively impacting their vote, BUT supposing more 'Workers Party' candidates spring up in other Labour held/hoped for and Gaza-sympathetic wards, the impact could be as bad as Reform might be to the Conservatives. By the way I'm told the London Mayoral Election might go the way of pro-Palestine v. Anti-ULEZ which is interesting (to me)

3. 'More carefully selected', yes better wording this time!

4. I think better debate is had by letting TTR (and those at the opposite end of the argument I guess) have their say and then try to discuss rather than just describing it as 'Muslim bashing'. I can personally support either when their POV's are based on at least a bit of fact, (I'll point out the gov.uk report TTR referred to last week which I went to the trouble of studying and it did support his line of argument, but point out also the unfounded comment from elsewhere 'There are more bad 'Christians' than Muslims', a nice bit of 'Christian bashing' to throw in the mix) and support any retort when its objective and not filled with bile.

NB picking on your messages isn't me 'picking on you' personally, your messages just have more structure which enables structured reply is all

[ramAnag]

1. I think you rA and TTR are talking about different problems, in fact I think you are talking about almost the exact OPPOSITE problem - If I may guess, The Rise of Islam v. The demonisation of Islam

2. I'm not so sure, my guess is that both major parties have seen the impact a decent orator (you must admit) with the right message has in terms of voter impact. (superficially or genuine) Pro-Palestine Labour GE candidates may see this positively impacting their vote, BUT supposing more 'Workers Party' candidates spring up in other Labour held/hoped for and Gaza-sympathetic wards, the impact could be as bad as Reform might be to the Conservatives. By the way I'm told the London Mayoral Election might go the way of pro-Palestine v. Anti-ULEZ which is interesting (to me)

3. 'More carefully selected', yes better wording this time!

4. I think better debate is had by letting TTR (and those at the opposite end of the argument I guess) have their say and then try to discuss rather than just describing it as 'Muslim bashing'. I can personally support either when their POV's are based on at least a bit of fact, (I'll point out the gov.uk report TTR referred to last week which I went to the trouble of studying and it did support his line of argument, but point out also the unfounded comment from elsewhere 'There are more bad 'Christians' than Muslims', a nice bit of 'Christian bashing' to throw in the mix) and support any retort when its objective and not filled with bile.

NB picking on your messages isn't me 'picking on you' personally, your messages just have more structure which enables structured reply is all

Andy…it was you who first criticised the thread for developing into the ‘usual Islam bitchfest’…I was merely running with it.

I hadn’t for one moment thought you were ‘picking on me personally’.

[Andy_Faber]

Andy…it was you who first criticised the thread for developing into the ‘usual Islam bitchfest’…I was merely running with it.

I hadn’t for one moment thought you were ‘picking on me personally’.

That’s ok then, you were just a victim of good grammatical structure

[Trickytreesreds]

Galloways workers party, driven by Labours former hardcore, this is what was voted in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S61u...channel=GBNews