OT Corrupt BBC at it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eternal Optimist]

Reuters are controlled. Just like the BBC. Watch this if you dare...


https://x.com/i/status/1986079194078384209

[MillerBill]

Reuters are controlled. Just like the BBC. Watch this if you dare...


https://x.com/i/status/1986079194078384209

Full force of the scaremongering propaganda machine and still there is a fraction of people who believe this BS.A diminishing number believe what they say and why the BBC viewing figures have dropped alarmingly.

[ragingpup]

Reuters are controlled. Just like the BBC. Watch this if you dare...


https://x.com/i/status/1986079194078384209

Unfortunately for me I did watch and, urrggh. God that is ****ing depressing. That people genuinely fall for this **** and spread it around.

In short, the graph on Earth's temperature tells us nothing useful about the situation we are in now. Yes, of course the Earth has been warmer, of course it has. What matters is that human life wasn't in existence then, and in much of it, physically couldn't exist! God, this is depressingly basic. Even my 13 year old daughter gets this.

What matters to us with regard to the Earth's temperature is the current stable, relatively low temperature over the last few million years, which I talked about in a post above, with the problem being that there is a sudden spike in this temperature which if left unchecked will soon become a spiral back into former global temperatures with which man would struggle to cope. How do you explain that sudden rise? If not by human CO2 then what? That spike is unprecendented in such a short space of time, global temp takes thousands and millions of years to make small movements.

Your man here obviously doesn’t even begin to try – he just shows us an irrelevant big graph and points to data on it that bears no resemblance to the current climate situation. I’m assuming he’s not thick, so I can only assume he’s deliberately aiming to mislead us. And boy do you make it easy for him!

And he says “Ofcom fines anyone who challenges global warming data” - It’s just lies! You can challenge global warming data all you want, but what you can’t do is present news information that is misinformation or deliberately misleading. Which is what this man just did to you in regards to world temperature, and yes he would get fined by Ofcom. Rightly so.

[Eternal Optimist]

There's clearly zero hope for you, but I wish you well regardless.

[ragingpup]

There's clearly zero hope for you, but I wish you well regardless.

You're the one that chose to put a link with a movie that you clearly hold dear.

I simply pointed to one of the many pieces of data he was presenting as information on climate change, and I explained quite clearly how his data did not tell us anything about the current climate change, and how he was deliberately presenting this to mislead his audience. He certainly seems quite confident that his audience and targeted demographic will not check his data themselves. To be fair to him, he's quite skilled at what he does. He knows his audience well.

Just so we're clear. You could try and explain how I've got this wrong and present further evidence that might hold a little but more cred than your man in the movie, but we both know you can't.

Any other gems you want to put up here?

[Eternal Optimist]

When Big Bad Billy Boy starts pulling his money out of the climate change scam you know the jig's up...

New reporting by Heatmap is signaling the end of a ?major chapter in climate giving,? as Breakthrough Energy ? Gates? climate change nonprofit ? has locked the doors on its policy and advocacy office, laying off dozens of employees throughout Europe and the US...

https://futurism.com/bill-gates-gives-up-climate-change

[ragingpup]

When Big Bad Billy Boy starts pulling his money out of the climate change scam you know the jig's up...



https://futurism.com/bill-gates-gives-up-climate-change

"Big Billy Bad Boy"??! Jeez. I think one of the most irritating features of the social media political group explosion is their shared tendency to make up shocking little names for their enemy political figures, most of which would make an adolescent 6th former cringe.

Again, you are taking one part of what is happenning here and trying to establish a very different meaning. He did not at any point use the words that your meme is quoting or suggesting, with the aim to convince your people on a footy message board (absurd isn;t it?) that he has completely changed his stance. He said ?Climate change will have serious consequences?particularly for the poorest and most vulnerable?yet it will not lead to the complete destruction of human civilization."

I think most people who look at what science is telling us would agree to this. Even with the recent spike in temperature, the effects of climate change will be slow - despite frogs best efforts, pretty much every scientist agrees that we are seeing negative impact on the world around us at the moment, which as the global climate slides towards 61.5 (1.5% above pre industrial levels) expected mid 2030s this will be more noticable with increased reductions in habitats, melting ice, raised sea levels and some hotter places currently inhabited will become less to not habitable and then on a slow sliding scale, this will progressively worsen until more substantial (and many say irreversible due to greenhouse accumulation) once we get past 62 degrees globally.

Of ocurse that in itself is not an overall global threat to humanity, but it will without the shadow of any doubt change the world we live in as we have no record of living in a global temperature that is 2% hotter than the one we have always existed in. Hence "Big Billy Bad Boy" (sighs)'s words that this climate change will have serious consequences. It it likely to force a mass movement of people from the hottest areas into cooler ones. And not sure some people on here can cope with incoming people already!

[Eternal Optimist]

"Big Billy Bad Boy"??! Jeez. I think one of the most irritating features of the social media political group explosion is their shared tendency to make up shocking little names for their enemy political figures, most of which would make an adolescent 6th former cringe...

I learned how to quote people accurately well before I reached adolescence, but never mind.

...Again, you are taking one part of what is happenning here and trying to establish a very different meaning. He did not at any point use the words that your meme is quoting or suggesting, with the aim to convince your people on a footy message board (absurd isn;t it?) that he has completely changed his stance. He said ?Climate change will have serious consequences?particularly for the poorest and most vulnerable?yet it will not lead to the complete destruction of human civilization."...

Good for him. Weird that quite a few of his fellow (unelected) "leaders" have criticised him for his comments though, eh?

I think most people who look at what science is telling us would agree to this. Even with the recent spike in temperature, the effects of climate change will be slow - despite frogs best efforts, pretty much every scientist* agrees that we are seeing negative impact on the world around us at the moment, which as the global climate slides towards 61.5 (1.5% above pre industrial levels) expected mid 2030s this will be more noticable with increased reductions in habitats, melting ice, raised sea levels and some hotter places currently inhabited will become less to not habitable and then on a slow sliding scale, this will progressively worsen until more substantial (and many say irreversible due to greenhouse accumulation) once we get past 62 degrees globally...

Did you mean to say, "...pretty much every scientist whose career, salary and future job prospects depend on propagating this myth agrees..."?

Of ocurse that in itself is not an overall global threat to humanity, but it will without the shadow of any doubt change the world we live in as we have no record of living in a global temperature that is 2% hotter than the one we have always existed in. Hence "Big Billy Bad Boy" (sighs)'s words that this climate change will have serious consequences. It it likely to force a mass movement of people from the hottest areas into cooler ones. And not sure some people on here can cope with incoming people already!

I've seen all the previous climate doom and gloom predictions dating back to the 1970's.

For the sake of your stance, it's a real shame that none of them came true. For that reason I'm inclined to think the latest batch can be safely thrown into the 'loada ballox' filing cabinet, but if you want to push that message, knock yer sen out lad. You won't convince me.

[animallittle3]

"Big Billy Bad Boy"??! Jeez. I think one of the most irritating features of the social media political group explosion is their shared tendency to make up shocking little names for their enemy political figures, most of which would make an adolescent 6th former cringe.

Again, you are taking one part of what is happenning here and trying to establish a very different meaning. He did not at any point use the words that your meme is quoting or suggesting, with the aim to convince your people on a footy message board (absurd isn;t it?) that he has completely changed his stance. He said ?Climate change will have serious consequences?particularly for the poorest and most vulnerable?yet it will not lead to the complete destruction of human civilization."

I think most people who look at what science is telling us would agree to this. Even with the recent spike in temperature, the effects of climate change will be slow - despite frogs best efforts, pretty much every scientist agrees that we are seeing negative impact on the world around us at the moment, which as the global climate slides towards 61.5 (1.5% above pre industrial levels) expected mid 2030s this will be more noticable with increased reductions in habitats, melting ice, raised sea levels and some hotter places currently inhabited will become less to not habitable and then on a slow sliding scale, this will progressively worsen until more substantial (and many say irreversible due to greenhouse accumulation) once we get past 62 degrees globally.

Of ocurse that in itself is not an overall global threat to humanity, but it will without the shadow of any doubt change the world we live in as we have no record of living in a global temperature that is 2% hotter than the one we have always existed in. Hence "Big Billy Bad Boy" (sighs)'s words that this climate change will have serious consequences. It it likely to force a mass movement of people from the hottest areas into cooler ones. And not sure some people on here can cope with incoming people already!

I see this line touted around regularly about irregular migration and climate change and to be honest , I'll be polite and say I'm sceptical .

Unless you can tell me otherwise raging I'm pretty certain that since man first came on the scene the areas of the world irregular migrants are leaving have always been extremely hot , in the summer months it's generally around 40 degrees and often 45 .

This has been the case for centuries and humans as they are when they dont know any different live with it quite easily just as they do in Siberia when it's minus 25 in winter .

Are you telling me that young men from the main irregular immigration country's suddenly wake up one morning in summertime and dread the sun rising despite not knowing any different ?

I understand young men desperate to leave poor country's for better lives in Europe , that i do get but dreaming of European rain is probably pushing it a little don't you think .

Remarkably the scorching heat of wealthy Dubai or even roasting summers on the Costa Del Sol or Portugal , Italy and Greece doesn't seem to bother them .

[ragingpup]

I have done better as you agreed with a lot I said.

Whales and their blubber was used in many products before including lighting, soap and many other product yet the ban on whale hunting is great everywhere bar Japan.
The vast majority of those products have been replaced by fossil fuel bi-products

The overwhelming increase in plant growth isn’t heat it is the gas of life. The more CO2 we have the better the yield.
In your argument means that heat has created more sustainable land and that means that there will be land nearer the equator being too hot to grow things in.
As the equator is the largest circumference then the colder areas which you say have warmed is a smaller surface area.

You have looked at the last 20 years or so. The earth is over a billion years old.

If lightening has increased then it means that the production of hail has increased. Without the friction it creates then it can’t form.

The earth is constantly going through climate change and fluctuations in CO2 as well as other things!

The earth is quite capable of regulating itself!

The earth is constantly going through changes frog but slowly. I haven't look only at the last 20 years, here's what I wrote earlier and is the most important thing I've been trying to get over, the crux of why the current global warming spike is very different to the natural climate change you're talking about:

In very, very simple terms, Earth's temperature only changes very slowly, like really really slowly over 1000s and millions of years. The main periods are the Eocene period, 50 million years ago when we were a greenhouse, the ice caps were tropical and the global temp was about 24 deg centigrade. Over millions of years, and with some dips and ups on the way it fell down to the lowest point, the last Glacial period approx 22000 years ago, and since has been climbing up to the crucial and current holocene period starting around 12000 years ago where the global tem settled at around 13.8 deg and thus settled in the sweet spot that enibled life to flourish and within this temperature, between 13.8 and 14 deg global temp, human life has evolved and developed all of our existing infrastructure with only a very, very little upturn of temp from 13.8 to 14 degrees in this last 12000 years.

But then, just in the last 150 years alone, the global temperature has risen to approx 15.2 degrees!! That's a huge jump and it is demonstrably down to human activity. It's unprecedented in that space of time! No other point of history shows that level of change.

Scientists pretty much agree that we can manage this increase without huge changes in our climate experience up to about 15.5 degrees, the first 'tipping point' at which point you would start to see significant changes in climates with increases in 'wild weather' and some parts of the Earth starting to become uninhabitable due to water loss. At the current rate of change, we will hit this point in around 10 years time.

Beyond this, the next tipping point - 16 degrees, is where there would be very significant changes with melting ice sheets increasing sea levels back into the lower reaches of the Eocene period, and at this point significant parts of the hotter continents wouuld not be habitable through water loss and much of the inhabitable parts including Europe would be lost to raised sea levels.

As I said the main point is that a temperature change from 14 to 16 degrees in the space of 200 years is completely unprecedented in the natural evolution of the Earth (save natural catastrophes,