The Corona Virus

[sinkov]

The UK has reported a further 1,041 people have died with coronavirus, the highest daily death toll since April.

Good try OC, you're getting there, but you forgot the 'reported' in the second part of the sentence, it's the highest reported daily death toll.

Remember last week, your post 1552, "deaths yesterday were 981 and today 964". and my response, post 1557, "Oh no, OC you are such a disappointment to me, there you go again peddling the FAKE NEWS that 981 and 964 died over two days. No they didn't," ?

The scores are in on this one now, the actual number of deaths on those two days were 588 and 539. I can understand why the government and their shills in the media like to highlight this misleading figure, but what's in it for you ?

[oldcolner]

Nothing! Dog bone comes to mind! Lol
You choose your stats I’ll use the ones used for the media and international comparison.

You are not saying 981 people with that date of death certification didn’t die are you ??
Is 588 really good news and a low number for deaths actually on that date?

How about this for more reassurance there is no bed shortage problem

London's hospitals will be overwhelmed by Covid patients in TWO weeks in a BEST CASE scenario with 2,000 beds needed even after Nightingale is opened, stark NHS briefing warns

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-warns.html

[sinkov]

You choose your stats I’ll use the ones used for the media and international comparison.

You can choose whichever stats you like OC, I just don't understand why you cannot describe them accurately, I can understand why the government and their shills in the media try to pretend that over 1000 have died in a single day, but why do you ? You know it's a lie and the true figure will be apparent a couple of days later, but still you do it. Why ?

You are not saying 981 people with that date of death certification didn’t die are you ??

Here we go, the old straw man wheeled out again. Am I saying that ? Show me where. In your own time mon ami.

Is 588 really good news and a low number for deaths actually on that date?

Good news, bad news, high number, low number ? Not for me to say, what it is is the actual number of people who died on that day, do you have a problem using the real numbers ?

I just prefer accuracy OC, not sure why you don't.

[oldcolner]

I just prefer accuracy OC, not sure why you don't.

Ok Sinkov please tell us using your reliable and accurate figures are deaths falling and if so by how much?

[oldcolner]

BT how many more do you want to die before you take this seriously??
SAGE vindicated sadly.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

BT how many more do you want to die before you take this seriously??
SAGE vindicated sadly.

I get confused OC with the constant tinkering and massaging of figures dished out by the Cabal of cretins who are running this $hitfe$t.

The 1,041 figure announced on Wednesday was for deaths recorded in the previous 24 hours of people who had died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19.

It was not for deaths from Covid-19 in the previous 24 hours like SAGE and the scientists want us to believe.

The Child Bride has lived in Bolton for almost all of her life and takes a morbid (IMHO) interest in the Bolton Evening News "Death's column."

On a daily basis for the last 10 months I hear " Did you know ....insert name... has passed away? "Her Auntie Mildred used to know the deceased person's milkman and says the cause of death is corona with underlying health issues."


What I would like to know is at the height of a bitterly cold mid-winter here in Bolton, how many people are actually dying as a direct consequence of COVID19 and not from previously known and untreated serious underlying health issues?

[oldcolner]

I get confused OC with the constant tinkering and massaging of figures dished out by the Cabal of cretins who are running this $hitfe$t.

The 1,041 figure announced on Wednesday was for deaths recorded in the previous 24 hours of people who had died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19.

It was not for deaths from Covid-19 in the previous 24 hours like SAGE and the scientists want us to believe.

The Child Bride has lived in Bolton for almost all of her life and takes a morbid (IMHO) interest in the Bolton Evening News "Death's column."

On a daily basis for the last 10 months I hear " Did you know ....insert name... has passed away? "Her Auntie Mildred used to know the deceased person's milkman and says the cause of death is corona with underlying health issues."


What I would like to know is at the height of a bitterly cold mid-winter here in Bolton, how many people are actually dying as a direct consequence of COVID19 and not from previously known and untreated serious underlying health issues?

So avoid answering BT and ignore my questions.
Why abuse people trying their best to keep you and the rest of us safe despite your attitude. The numbers are what they are and are people who died with or from Covid, ...... but not including those who died after 28 days or those who didn’t have a test at all. So they should be higher by 20%.

Just glad you aren’t running this or it would be a massive disaster. Forecasts are it will be soon in London, but you’ll still be denying it and saying it’s normal, rather Trump like and doing nothing. You can offer no solutions to overfull hospitals and ambulances unable to operate, overworked and stressed staff ...just denial and criticisms of numbers and people and abuse.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

So avoid answering BT and ignore my questions.
Why abuse people trying their best to keep you and the rest of us safe despite your attitude. The numbers are what they are and are people who died with or from Covid, ...... but not including those who died after 28 days or those who didn’t have a test at all. So they should be higher by 20%.

Just glad you aren’t running this or it would be a massive disaster. Forecasts are it will be soon in London, but you’ll still be denying it and saying it’s normal, rather Trump like and doing nothing. You can offer no solutions to overfull hospitals and ambulances unable to operate, overworked and stressed staff ...just denial and criticisms of numbers and people and abuse.

You get me all wrong OC. It's the constant change in tactics in how our Prime Minister attempts to deal with this $hitfest that I rage against.

The evidence tells me conclusively that Lockdowns, Circuit Breakers, his half-in half out measures are not working. Stupid promises (it will be over by July, it will be over by Christmas, it will be over by Easter blah! blah!) are not what we need.

We are effectively being run by SAGE and not our elected government. I do not weakly succumb to their numbers or methodology.

If you test people often enough you will have a large percentage of "false positives" and those people and their immediate families have to self isolate for two weeks based on a false premise.

I read yesterday that perhaps as much as 30% of all NHS staff who are absent from work may be the victims of this bonkers testing procedure.

Not once have you read any serious observation from me that our NHS staff are not being tested to their limits. For that, I lay the blame squarely at the feet of SAGE, Johnson and Hancock.

The Test and Trace programme was an unmitigated disaster, people are still flying into Manchester airport from all corners of the globe with no evidence to prove they are neither affected by nor carrying the virus (FACT).

Tier 2, 3 & 4 protocols simply did not, nor ever will contain this virus. Sending our children to school with a virulent new mutated strain of the virus running rampant was nothing short of lunacy.

If you think I take any glee or delight in being kept locked up without questioning the logic behind it OC, you are going to be very disappointed.

I answered your question to the best of my knowledge:

I get confused OC with the constant tinkering and massaging of figures dished out by the Cabal of cretins who are running this $hitfe$t.

The 1,041 figure announced on Wednesday was for deaths recorded in the previous 24 hours of people who had died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19.

It was not for deaths from Covid-19 in the previous 24 hours like SAGE and the scientists want us to believe.

What I would like to know is at the height of a bitterly cold mid-winter here in Bolton, how many people are actually dying as a direct consequence of COVID19 and not from previously known and untreated serious underlying health issues?

Conflation, confusion and outright lying does not merit my trust in our government and incidentally, I am neither paid to nor qualified to offer the practical solutions to the problem of overfull hospitals and ambulances unable to operate, overworked and stressed staff.

My criticism rests with the Cabal of cretins who are wasting billions of pounds worth of taxpayers money with no obvious, meaningful solution to the containment of this virus.

In a little while I will send you an independent figure gathered to try and extrapolate evidence in just how this virus is spreading in Greater Manchester and the real evidence in how it is affecting people's lives.

[sinkov]

Just glad you aren’t running this or it would be a massive disaster.

And what we are witnessing now, with the country into it's third catastrophic, pointless, national lockdown inside a year, is NOT a massive disaster ?

What are you on OC, I want some.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

And what we are witnessing now, with the country into it's third catastrophic, pointless, national lockdown inside a year, is NOT a massive disaster ?

What are you on OC, I want some.

I like evidence sinkov you know that by now. I quite like anecdotal evidence and from what I can gather for almost twelve months now, previously known but still untreated serious underlying health issues are not being dealt with and the "overwhelmed by corona excuse" is still being rolled out.

Make no mistake sinkov, this is a "massive disaster" and our Cabal of Cabinet Minister Conservative and Unionist Cretins led by a blonde-haired, grinning, smirking, clueless clown aided and abetted by their quisling sidekick Kier Starmer are proving incapable of sorting it.