O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[SwalePie]

A quick analysis from The Guardian a few days ago...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/16/what-do-we-know-about-people-who-died-covid-uk

[Mapperleypie]

Great news no more nappies

Why have you been wearing a nappy all this time? Did someone tell you to on youtube whilst you were doing your own research?

[macstop]

Why have you been wearing a nappy all this time? Did someone tell you to on youtube whilst you were doing your own research?

No never worn one, only for hospital and doctors surgery, but if that's what gets you off carry on by all means.

[magpie_mania]

Operation Save Big Dog in full swing.

Masks not mandatory but we suggest you wear them in crowded places and when with people you don't know.

This PM knows no bounds.

[maddogslater]

I like the JR podcast while at work, has some very interesting and diverse guests, recently Oliver Stone, Dr Robert Malone and today I listened to the one with Josh Szeps talking Australia's mental lockdowns and restrictions in some states.

[cher1]

Oops sorry, posted too soon!

[cher1]

I'm not sure how useful it is knowing how many people have died from covid with no underlying health conditions. As MM says underlying health conditions are widespread in the population, particularly those who are elderly.

If you only count underlying conditions which increase the risk of serious illnesses/death from covid, 24.4% of the UK population have such an underlying condition and 66.2% of those aged 70+ have a condition which puts them at an increased risk. I'm not sure why these groups should be excluded from any stats.

Here's some data which actually counts people whose death was due to covid (and doesn't exclude large random chunks of the population to make figures look small):

Of all death occurrences between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza.

[macstop]

Perhaps a visit around a hospital will ground you.

Hi there my friend, i spent most of the pandemic in hospital, 3 operations for cancer, and a short stay on a covid ward, and i had plenty of time walking around empty hospital beds.

now on the covid ward there were about 60 patients, i was the youngest 69 at the time, so i asked the staff where they had come from and all where from nursing homes, i was there because i had a seizure and nothing more, i also talked to young nurses who told me they were not getting jabbed.

Ok i am not trying to prove anyone wrong about anything, but you have to ask how many of the 150,000 deaths were from cancer, heart attacks, suicides, diabetes, falls in home, car accidents ect, but were unlucky to have tested positive.

Then we come on to the financial issues this has cost our country, some are estimating 145 billion pounds, plus people losing there lively hood through unnecessary lockdowns, and the mental torture to our children with lost schooling.

Finally why is it ok to treat covid, and leave people with other conditions to wait and some times die, being a cancer patient i have seen it, but then again some people are just plain selfish.

[Old_pie]

Hi there my friend, i spent most of the pandemic in hospital, 3 operations for cancer, and a short stay on a covid ward, and i had plenty of time walking around empty hospital beds.

now on the covid ward there were about 60 patients, i was the youngest 69 at the time, so i asked the staff where they had come from and all where from nursing homes, i was there because i had a seizure and nothing more, i also talked to young nurses who told me they were not getting jabbed.

Ok i am not trying to prove anyone wrong about anything, but you have to ask how many of the 150,000 deaths were from cancer, heart attacks, suicides, diabetes, falls in home, car accidents ect, but were unlucky to have tested positive.

Then we come on to the financial issues this has cost our country, some are estimating 145 billion pounds, plus people losing there lively hood through unnecessary lockdowns, and the mental torture to our children with lost schooling.

Finally why is it ok to treat covid, and leave people with other conditions to wait and some times die, being a cancer patient i have seen it, but then again some people are just plain selfish.

Sorry to hear about your ailments, though despite all you were being treated.

A point I forgot to make and perhaps the most important is what do you think the Covid figures would have looked like if no action had been taken? Maybe they are only ok in your eyes because of the lockdowns and social distancing until a good percentage had been vaccinated.

I have no idea how to prioritise patients, it must be a thankless task and the early decision to send elderly back to their care homes was bordering on criminal. The problem is that those covid patients that were taking priority were taking priority because their life was at imminent risk. It's a bit like seeing two people drowning in the river, one sort of keeping afloat and the other starting to go blue. Who do you save first? Or do you ask their age, health condition etc then make a decision? Lifeguards don't.

It worries me that one day I might be in the care of nurses who have such a poor understandings of epidemiology yet consider themselves fit to ignore the medical experts. But then it worries me when I see the amount if illiteracy and innumeracy among so many in general and that seems more infectious than Covid with access to Farcebook and Tw@tter.

[OchPie]

The most common preexisting condition - 25% of deaths - in 2020 was Dementia and Alzheimer's disease.

The UK tracks both those dying within 28 days of a positive test AND those who had Covid listed as a cause of death on the death certificate - the latter doesn't catch people run over by cars, and yet the total number is higher.