Sturgeonland

[InversneckieDob]

Don’t you actually talk to people?

She buggered it up with her pervert loving.
The party itself has finished themselves off by sheer stupidity.
The financial shenanigans are just the icing on the cake.

I talk to people plenty.
Most people I talk to have a "live and let live" mentality and don't see gay andvtrans people as "perverts.
That mentality is the preserve of a special few.
In any event, see my comments about here-today-gone-tomorrow policies.

Are you really saying you can't put your personal beliefs in relation to some, pretty narrow, policies aside in the name of the greater good.

[donsdaft]

They weren't gone tomorrow though, were they?
They only get worse and worse.

I agree with almost everything you say in your original post but we are talking about deliberately alienating voters for no good reason while sitting on a 50/50 poll.

Bloody madness.

If the SNP were to maintain their position they had to vote for real change, they didn't.
I still can't get my head around 30% of party members not even voting.

[TheDeeDon]

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I still can't get my head around 30% of party members not even voting.

People will be paying by direct debit. They probably signed up years ago and don't realise they are still members and therefore didn't know they were eligible to vote.

Of course many may have chosen not to vote as no candidate really came across that well.

[donsdaft]

There's always that.

A fair few direct debits being cancelled now I reckon.

[TheDeeDon]

So, what would an independence party that would vote for look like?
And gies a cogent answer with using words and phrases like poofs and mannies canna be wifies etc.

The way I look at it, the SNP's policies in government are wholly irrelevant.

Post independence I'd image, fairly soon, the SNP would cease to exist.
I think the potential within an independent Scotland to, at the very least, not be governed by a "let the markets decide" mantra would be right there.

I think Kate Forbes' personal beliefs are pretty abhorrent but, on a single issue basis, I'd vote for the largest independence movement with a view to obtaining that outcome, were that party led by her.

Now, I understand floating voters, in terms of independence, being reticent about voting for a party with whose socio-political and socio-economic policies they disagree.

For the life of me I can't understand someone who espouses a belief in independence not voting SNP because of some here-today-gone-tomorrow policies.

I agree with that 100%

There will never be a party that will unite politically to gain independence.

Just reading through this thread tells me all I need to know about why we won't get independence anytime soon.

Get out of the Union then worry about how we shape the country afterwards.

[TheDeeDon]

There's always that.

A fair few direct debits being cancelled now I reckon.

I've always maintained parties should be funded by the tax payer and do away with all this donation/membership nonsense.

[Donanddusted]

I've always maintained parties should be funded by the tax payer and do away with all this donation/membership nonsense.

The Tories get quite enough of my money, thanks.

[Jupiter]

I've always maintained parties should be funded by the tax payer and do away with all this donation/membership nonsense.

That's a bloody stupid idea, if parties can't raise enough money to survive, they deserve to die and not be bailed out by the taxpayer.
And what if somebody starts a new party, are you going to give taxpayers money to all sorts of dubious characters?

[InversneckieDob]

They weren't gone tomorrow though, were they?
They only get worse and worse.

I agree with almost everything you say in your original post but we are talking about deliberately alienating voters for no good reason while sitting on a 50/50 poll.

Bloody madness.

If the SNP were to maintain their position they had to vote for real change, they didn't.
I still can't get my head around 30% of party members not even voting.

They could be gone tomorrow if enough elected representatives want them gone that's how politics works.
In a small independent country of 5 million people change is far easier to bring about.

[57vintage]

Whilst it’s neither my circus nor my monkeys, the last few weeks has cemented further my suspicon that in both parliaments and in local authorities, the zest for independence, should one scratch below the surface, is rather more lukewarm than professed among the nationalists. I suspect that the feather-bedding the representatives have become used to has seen them lose much of any focus on the issue that they ever had. The lifestyle, with little or no punishment at the ballot box for the big ticket failures means that they don’t have to worry, as long as they read from the script that the drones want to hear, and chuck the odd i-word rubber bone to the followers.

In fact, I am convinced that the so-called independence movement is beginning to view The Party as a hindrance rather than an enabler, and have heard this expressed by more than a few Party members, and independence-minded individuals.

Anyway, do carry on rewarding failure.