O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[Andy_Faber]

There’s a time and a place AF. She had also voiced support for Brexit but seeing as she was addressing my body with a sharp pointed object at the time I opted for discretion over valour on this occasion.

Point taken (!) Mrs F dismissed our window cleaner for being a Brexit bore, I did the same with one of my painters. Regretably I can't sack my inlaws for that, although Mrs F has been tempted

[macstheman]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;39755220]The problem is, or at least my problem is, one of trust, MA. As you know I wouldn’t trust the current Government over anything else so why am I trusting them over vaccines and variants...especially in the light of some brief time I spent in the company of a nurse yesterday who was adamant that she wouldn’t be having the AZ vaccine, just as my wife and I were ‘celebrating’ the fact that our second doses have been brought forward to this weekend. Quote

I'm due mine Saturday at 6pm!!
I see from the daily figures the number of second jabs has sky rocketed as its now 3months of so since the mass jabbing of us oldies first started. I wonder how many lives have been saved??!!

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=macstheman;39755275]

The problem is, or at least my problem is, one of trust, MA. As you know I wouldn’t trust the current Government over anything else so why am I trusting them over vaccines and variants...especially in the light of some brief time I spent in the company of a nurse yesterday who was adamant that she wouldn’t be having the AZ vaccine, just as my wife and I were ‘celebrating’ the fact that our second doses have been brought forward to this weekend. Quote

I'm due mine Saturday at 6pm!!
I see from the daily figures the number of second jabs has sky rocketed as its now 3months of so since the mass jabbing of us oldies first started. I wonder how many lives have been saved??!!

Personally I agree with you mac. Somehow I seem to have overtaken you...due mine at midday on Saturday. Was meant to be a week on Saturday but they rang yesterday to ask us if we could come a week earlier.

My view is that there are risks with everything and the blood clot risk is slightly lower than dying in a car accident so I’m prepared to risk it but I was surprised to find a nurse saying she was declining.

Not a ‘friend’, Tricky...purely professional. She didn’t clarify...just said she’d read a lot and was very careful about what she put in her body. Before you ask...I wasn’t offering.

[MadAmster]

The blood clots. They seem to be happening mainly to women aged between 18 and 48. Those of child bearing age and most likely on the pill. One of the possible side effects of the pill is thrombosis. Might the 1 in more than a million average of thrombosis following a Covid jab be down to a reaction between the pill and AZ/Fgizer etc?

[ramAnag]

The blood clots. They seem to be happening mainly to women aged between 18 and 48. Those of child bearing age and most likely on the pill. One of the possible side effects of the pill is thrombosis. Might the 1 in more than a million average of thrombosis following a Covid jab be down to a reaction between the pill and AZ/Fgizer etc?

It might...but wouldn’t it be nice if we could have such a sensible explanation from those in positions of authority? At the moment, over here at least, I feel as if we’re victims of some sort of competition between the Government ‘bigging itself up’ with the forthcoming elections in mind and the media constantly seeking to sell a scare story.
I’ve made my mind up...that any risk is outweighed by the alternative of not having the vaccine...so I’ll be going ahead on Saturday, but when you hear all the scare stories and the reservations from the EU and, most recently, Denmark I don’t blame people for becoming more reluctant.

[Trickytreesreds]

Well, took the old man for his second dose today. Absolute nightmare. Took 3 hours to get through from our appointment time.
The delay queue, was an hour 30 behind and once in took ages to get seen to.
Why?

1. Due to the blood clot stories, they have to run through an extra info sheet and you only get the jab, after a doc or senior nurse asks you bucket load of questions about side effects and and illnesses from jab one.
2. Some bright spark, thought it was a good idea to call in jab ones, to mix with the jab twos.
The result was the described queue and seeing as jab ones were the over 70's, they quickly ran out of wheel chairs and normal chairs, before they keeled over. Total cock up for me.

As a side comment, Serco seem to have employed the third world on minimal wage, to be involved with this.
Now that is something the government wants clobbering over, for ever giving that company a contract again.

[ramAnag]

Well, took the old man for his second dose today. Absolute nightmare. Took 3 hours to get through from our appointment time.
The delay queue, was an hour 30 behind and once in took ages to get seen to.
Why?

1. Due to the blood clot stories, they have to run through an extra info sheet and you only get the jab, after a doc or senior nurse asks you bucket load of questions about side effects and and illnesses from jab one.
2. Some bright spark, thought it was a good idea to call in jab ones, to mix with the jab twos.
The result was the described queue and seeing as jab ones were the over 70's, they quickly ran out of wheel chairs and normal chairs, before they keeled over. Total cock up for me.

As a side comment, Serco seem to have employed the third world on minimal wage, to be involved with this.
Now that is something the government wants clobbering over, for ever giving that company a contract again.

Surprised at that Tricky. One extra question because of ‘blood clot tales’...and one about initial reaction to jab one...took all of 15 seconds. Slightly longer queue this time but still back in the car within two minutes of my appointment time. No problems at all...possibly more complicated for those who answer in the affirmative about blood thinning meds, otherwise no hiccups at all.

[Trickytreesreds]

Surprised at that Tricky. One extra question because of ‘blood clot tales’...and one about initial reaction to jab one...took all of 15 seconds. Slightly longer queue this time but still back in the car within two minutes of my appointment time. No problems at all...possibly more complicated for those who answer in the affirmative about blood thinning meds, otherwise no hiccups at all.

Pleased for RA.
I think the issue was that a doctor, or senior medical was made to ask the questions.
Dunno why, but the delay was around waiting for one of them to be available. The old ones suffered badly for it.

[Andy_Faber]

Surprised at that Tricky. One extra question because of ‘blood clot tales’...and one about initial reaction to jab one...took all of 15 seconds. Slightly longer queue this time but still back in the car within two minutes of my appointment time. No problems at all...possibly more complicated for those who answer in the affirmative about blood thinning meds, otherwise no hiccups at all.

Imust admit to 'slowing the line' on the blood thinning thing - the doctor asked me if I took Warfarin OR SIMILAR, and thinking quick and hard about that question, not being confident about the or similar bit, and being someone who takes a shelfful of meds, I responded 'I don't know'. Once I'd listed all the meds (and the doctor had checked one because there's a massive reaction to grapefruit and grapefruit extracts in it, and that wasn't one he'd come across) I was good to go. Better safe than sorry even with the needle dripping in eyesight IMO

[MadAmster]

It seems that the US storm on the J&J vaccine is based on 6 cases from 6.7M people vaccinated, One of the 6 has died and a 2nd is in hospital in a critical state. That's a death rate of 0.00008823529%.

Far greater chance of being killed or seriously injured crossing the road............. in the UK that happened to an average of 248 people a day in 2019.