Sturgeonland

[donsdaft]

The question being " how do we pay for it?"

Sturgeon could have done with asking that question a fair few times.

[TheDeeDon]

The question being " how do we pay for it?"

Sturgeon could have done with asking that question a fair few times.

They only answer it with a lie.

The biggest issue in politics is that people don't want to hear the truth.

[donsdaft]

They only answer it with a lie.

The biggest issue in politics is that people don't want to hear the truth.

Actually, people want to be lied to, the bigger the lie the better.
Why else would Boris have been popular?

[TheDeeDon]

Actually, people want to be lied to, the bigger the lie the better.
Why else would Boris have been popular?

Exactly my point. People don't want the truth.

Hence why we got lumbered with Brexit and Boris/Liz/Rishi.

We need to educate people on the importance of taxation and a tax system fit for purpose.

You can argue black is white all day long. You don't have a fair tax system, you won't have a fair society.

[donsdaft]

There's only one way of paying, that's taxation.

Let the politics begin.

[Red Zone]

I've always thought that the biggest problem with politics and politicians is they are always thinking about how they win the next election/retain their seat therefore they do/say popular things (including lying) that is best for them and their next election hopes rather than what is best for the country. One example - how long have we shied away from fixing social care for elderly because all politicians are too scared to tackle it and look now at the knock on impact on the NHS via bed blocking.

So my fix is one-term only for politicians so they do what is right rather than what is popular. The continuity of knowledge/experience then comes from officials. This also has the advantage of doing away with career politicians who have little or no knowledge of how the real world works. All politicians will then likely have had a real job before they become politicians for their five/six year stint.

[TheDeeDon]

I've always thought that the biggest problem with politics and politicians is they are always thinking about how they win the next election/retain their seat therefore they do/say popular things (including lying) that is best for them and their next election hopes rather than what is best for the country. One example - how long have we shied away from fixing social care for elderly because all politicians are too scared to tackle it and look now at the knock on impact on the NHS via bed blocking.

So my fix is one-term only for politicians so they do what is right rather than what is popular. The continuity of knowledge/experience then comes from officials. This also has the advantage of doing away with career politicians who have little or no knowledge of how the real world works. All politicians will then likely have had a real job before they become politicians for their five/six year stint.

I'd agree with that, although I say two terms.

I'd also only have people from an area or stayed in an area for a set number of years able to stand in that area.

There has been a huge brain drain from the public sector across the past few decades. That really needs fixing for the UK as a whole and especially in the devolved nations.

I'd happily get rid of political parties and career politicians.

[donsdaft]

Lessons from History here.

We might even get some sort of agreement.

2 terms fine but not consecutively, they must do something in the outside world in between.

Preferably they have experience of life outside politics before their first term too.

[57vintage]

You can all dream on. Westminster and Holyrood are legislatures.

Do you honestly think that the fellating/gash-tonguing careerists are going to pass laws to endanger their own well-feathered nests?

No, me neither.

[Donanddusted]

You can all dream on. Westminster and Holyrood are legislatures.

Do you honestly think that the fellating/gash-tonguing careerists are going to pass laws to endanger their own well-feathered nests?

No, me neither.

No they won't but they can fμck right off:

https://salvo.scot/claim-of-right/