All quiet on the takeover thingy

[PortugueseFrank]

This thread seems to have spun off into a "Who is at fault, Csaba or the Players?"

Hypothetical question for anyone thinking this...

Assuming that all playing staff were the same, If we had Jack Ross and Csaba was at St Mirren...do you think Utd would have won the league?

Assuming you mean with the same players but just under different managers then no.

[stokearab]

Assuming you mean with the same players but just under different managers then no.

All credit to you Frank for arguing your case with dignity and patience mate.

[PortugueseFrank]

Appreciate the kind words Stoke.

Ultimately, I blame the players.

In one breath we have people saying Csaba is to blame but then saying they would only keep a handful of players. So the players are good enough sometimes but not all the time.

And that group of "professionals" allowed themselves to split into factions, disrespect the fans (laughing about Csaba showing them pictures of fans who care more about United than they will ever do apparently), get Ray sacked and disrespect Csaba. All while taking a wage.

They downed tools when the holiday camp closed.

They failed themselves, the manager, the club and the fans all while laughing and joking and taking the wage.

No manager, especially one who didn't put that squad together, should be judged on the actions of that dreadful group. Csaba in no way responsible for their don't give a **** attitude. A sick dressing room is a millstone around any coaches neck.

Especially a coach who has to work with his predecessors best mates (subconsciously at least likely to want the sacking of their mate to like a mistake) like that's not a conflict of interest. He was set up (Not deliberately) to fail.

[darrenshedtastic]

i get where hes coming from CL cant be blamed for individual errors or players having lack of concentration and if its true that the players and even staff dont respect him or are taking the mick of out him then it makes it even more understandable how he couldnt get more out of the players. however.... some of signings and tactics have been shocking to say the least!

when he first came in. we played simple but effective football that teams couldnt deal with. in the early games we played some great stuff and DOMINATED games. there was attacking intent, movement and a desire to make things happen and to win the ball back.. we had intensity to attack and defend but then its like the falkirk game changed it all coupled with the loss of fyvie and fraser meant that the passing style we were playing was ditched. we went from looking very good to shocking in a few weeks. all confidence was lost within the team. we started trying to play a way that didnt suit us and suited any team we were playing. from that falkirk game onwards, we lost any direction of how to play and looked vulnerable to anything the opposition could throw at us.

CL isnt the only one to blame for us finishing 3rd and not getting promoted but hes had over half a season and a transfer window to get us up or in a better position to where we are now. he was brought in to get us up and we ended up finishing 3rd behind a decent but not great st mirren and an anti football livingston. thats just not acceptable. if there was more sign of him taking us forward then i would have been ok with him continuing next season but he cant be kept imo. like others have said an average manager would have got us up. we had a decent enough squad to achieve promotion but we looked lost and confused.

[Chips_OToole]

If that joker doesn't get the bullet tomorrow.

Ram season tickets up their arse.

and don't get the 'box office' to bother phoning me.

[stokearab]

If that joker doesn't get the bullet tomorrow.

Ram season tickets up their arse.

and don't get the 'box office' to bother phoning me.

All credit to you Chips for arguing your case with dignity and patience 😅😅

[shedka]

Not much to argue, Monday night showed exactly beyond all doubt that Csaba is not fit to manage United or capable or achieving what is needed

It's a very scary prospect that there is a chance of him being our manager beyond this season, nothing good can come of that, we won't get the much talked about stability, certainly not the positive kind, we won't get the positive vibe about Tannadice again that we very much need, we won't get the numbers through the gates that we should be getting, we won't attract players we could otherwise attract, the new chairman won't get much goodwill

It's beyond belief we have someone mentioning our best manager of all time to try and convince people who will never be convinced that Csaba should remain, not even comparable circumstances for a start so it's a non starter

Let's hope common sense prevails and he is gone asap

[PortugueseFrank]

It is history that the team actually went backwards for THREE years with a lot of turgid crap on show at times.

History can tell you a lot. Just because it's a certain figure shouldn't mean it's a no go.

Had Jim and his start happened today we would have threads on here calling him a dud and calling for his head and wanting us to hire someone else. People wanted him gone back then.

Thankfully we didn't. He was given time to build his own squad.

It is a valid point.

[jjaflup22]

It is history that the team actually went backwards for THREE years with a lot of turgid crap on show at times.

History can tell you a lot. Just because it's a certain figure shouldn't mean it's a no go.

Had Jim and his start happened today we would have threads on here calling him a dud and calling for his head and wanting us to hire someone else. People wanted him gone back then.

Thankfully we didn't. He was given time to build his own squad.

It is a valid point.

It certainly is, people nowadays have zero patience in every aspect of their life. Football is symptomatic of this. Your point about Jim McLean is completely valid and could be said about Alex Ferguson too. Nowadays these guys would be sacked after 6 months.

[LSArab]

It certainly is, people nowadays have zero patience in every aspect of their life. Football is symptomatic of this. Your point about Jim McLean is completely valid and could be said about Alex Ferguson too. Nowadays these guys would be sacked after 6 months.

I’m pretty certain that csaba is not fit to lace the boots of jim or Sir Alex

Sir Alex adapted throughout time to be one of the best man managers and leaders of men ever seen.