O/T:- Covid Trump

[drillerpie]

It's amazing that with all the complicated voter fraud across all the states that Trump has lost (not where he has won obvs) that these people have decided not to take the house of representatives and therefore make life really difficult for Biden for the next 4 years.

It's a mystery.

Ha ha, good point!

[drillerpie]

Trump is a shining example to all banana republics and dictatorial governments. He also is going to show how someone being kicked out of a TV reality show should really behave.

This is an era in which I am ashamed to be classed as a Westerner.

Quite. These are troubled times and without being too melodramatic we might even be watching the decline of the West as we know it.

[upthemaggies]

Quite. These are troubled times and without being too melodramatic we might even be watching the decline of the West as we know it.

If what's happening in Portland spreads, the US is in big big trouble.

"A mob of antifa have descended on the home of Portland city council member Dan Ryan for voting against @JoAnnPDX’s amendment to defund police." They've also attacked a church that runs a shelter for the homeless.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...81011255042048

[drillerpie]

"In an unprecedented move, MSNBC, NBC News, CNBC, CBS News, ABC News, and even publicly funded NPR, cut their feed from the White House as Trump began to speak about alleged voting irregularities during the 2020 contest. Among the major broadcasters, only Fox and CNN chose to air the full speech. A CNN chyron shown during his speech read: “Without any evidence, Trump says he’s being cheated.”"

"Without any evidence"
Where would you be expected to present the evidence (if it exists)? Are the media supposed to be allowed to be judge and jury?

I suppose they are and always have been judge and jury, in that they print and show what they deem newsworthy. It's why you don't even have to lie to have a political bias. Bias by omission is one of the most effective methods, it's why you will probably never read anything about Antifa violence in the Guardian/NY Times and why you'll probably never hear about Trump's law and norm breaking on Fox News.

Regarding this particular speech, do they have an ethical obligation to show Trump bo matter what he's saying? Was he willing to take questions? Was he willing to do a rigorous interview about his claims of fraud? Probably not, on all counts.

[Mapperleypie]

Putin will be absolutely delighted by all this. His Russian bot farms have done excellent work in sowing seeds of division in both the US and the UK.

The amount of QAnon disinformation still doing the rounds on social media is frightening (not just for the presidential election) and continues to be shared thousands of times as FACT.

[upthemaggies]

Putin will be absolutely delighted by all this. His Russian bot farms have done excellent work in sowing seeds of division in both the US and the UK.

The amount of QAnon disinformation still doing the rounds on social media is frightening (not just for the presidential election) and continues to be shared thousands of times as FACT.

Not just Russia who have an interest in the US turning against and destroying itself.

[Elite_Pie]

There is no evidence of election fraud, because there is no election fraud.

If it was that easy to fix the vote, you can bet your life savings that Trump would have done it in a heartbeat.

[upthemaggies]

There is no evidence of election fraud, because there is no election fraud.

If it was that easy to fix the vote, you can bet your life savings that Trump would have done it in a heartbeat.

Nah, there's been SOME election fraud, it would be incredibly naïve to pretend otherwise. Enough to matter? We don't know.

On your 2nd point, Trump and his supporters have probably tried.
In the current climate of media, big tech and the American war machine desperate to see Trump go, who would be the most likely to get away with voting fraud?

[Elite_Pie]

Nah, there's been SOME election fraud, it would be incredibly naïve to pretend otherwise. Enough to matter? We don't know.

I don't doubt there is a tiny bit of fiddling here and there, but if it was possible to do it on a large scale you can guarantee that Trump would have had a team working on it flat out for the last four years.

[Mapperleypie]

Not just Russia who have an interest in the US turning against and destroying itself.

Trump has always been the perfect man for the job.