war

[sinkov]

I wouldn't know CiB, I only know what the media says. Al Jazeera is no friend of Israel and they say " Hamas action came in response to an Israeli crackdown on Palestinians in occupied East Jerusalem and the storming of Al-Aqsa Mosque – Islam’s third holiest site – by Israeli forces." No mention of any Israeli bombing raids on Gaza.

[Balanbam00]

Very true and nicely written sinkov.

BT: There are 'taps' in pubs in Bolton if I remember -right. There are taps in Gaza too. But different than yours there.

The building watchman spoke on his mobile intently, pacing up and down a quiet street in Gaza. In video footage caught by an onlooker, Jamal Nasman showed no panic. Yet what he was hearing was deadly serious. He later told Reuters an Israeli officer had been giving him advance warning that the 13-storey block he looked after would be the target of an air strike. Israel said Hamas militants used the building.
"How much time do you want?" Nasman stops to listen. "Two or three hours? You said two or three hours and then no one should be there?" Pause. "So I'll go to the block and say no one should come?" "Ok, got it. The drone will hit it once and then two more times." Pause. "Then you'll strike the block." The 67-year-old father of eight stops again. "Yes, right, no problem, just a moment ... everyone has exited the building, even those from the buildings around are standing on the road - there is no one."


First, small missiles 'tap or strike the block in Gaza City's Rimal district, then boom, the building crumpled, footage showed. Hours after it was destroyed, Israel confirmed it had given a prior warning for civilians to leave.

This is not what always happens when Israel strikes what it deems a military target.

It says it makes every effort to preserve civilian life and accuses Hamas - the group that rules Gaza and which it deems a terrorist organisation - of using civilian areas to mount operations, such as planning attacks or firing rockets at Israeli towns and cities.

Yet the mobile exchange that preceded the strike on the Rimal block has become a more common feature of conflict since the 2014 escalation in Gaza: Israel's army makes a call, tells residents to evacuate, tap-tap-tap go the small missiles as a final warning - and then a big one brings the building down.
"We select warheads with the necessary lethality to hit those who need to be hit, and to reduce the impact on others," said an Israeli official, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity, saying careful intelligence preceded the strikes.

Operations by Hamas turn the buildings into legitimate targets.

Footage by residents using smartphones, or recorded by Israel's military or the media, including Reuters, have shown some blasts that are contained to a single apartment or bring down a tower block while buildings next door stay standing.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I watched a bit of news footage on CNN last night, tracer trails heading towards Israel, on the other screen great big f*cking explosions in Gaza.

This is not a war, it's wholesale slaughter.

[sinkov]

I watched a bit of news footage on CNN last night, tracer trails heading towards Israel, on the other screen great big f*cking explosions in Gaza.

I watched a filmed report on Al Jazeera, they were talking to this young lad, around 8 years old, he'd filmed a demonstrator lying dead in the road below his apartment, after being allegedly shot by an Israeli soldier. Given the poverty he and his family were obviously living in, I was impressed by the state of the art mobile phone he owned, he must have been a very brave lad as well, IDF soldiers had come to the apartment and demanded the Sim card from his phone, but he refused to hand it over, good lad. I was also impressed by the rest of his story, he said he stopped filming when a 64 year old Settler pointed a rifle at the apartment window he was filming from. I know you can have infant prodigies, and I suppose an Israeli Settler is identifiable enough to a Palestinian kid, but how the feck did he know he was 64 years old ?

I'm still trying to work that one out.

[Supersub6]

I watched a filmed report on Al Jazeera, they were talking to this young lad, around 8 years old, he'd filmed a demonstrator lying dead in the road below his apartment, after being allegedly shot by an Israeli soldier. Given the poverty he and his family were obviously living in, I was impressed by the state of the art mobile phone he owned, he must have been a very brave lad as well, IDF soldiers had come to the apartment and demanded the Sim card from his phone, but he refused to hand it over, good lad. I was also impressed by the rest of his story, he said he stopped filming when a 64 year old Settler pointed a rifle at the apartment window he was filming from. I know you can have infant prodigies, and I suppose an Israeli Settler is identifiable enough to a Palestinian kid, but how the feck did he know he was 64 years old ?

I'm still trying to work that one out.

Easy, he was a Beatles fan!

[Balanbam00]

Claret in B: As sinkov says ''Al Jazeera is no friend of Israel and they say " Hamas action came in response to an Israeli crackdown on Palestinians in occupied East Jerusalem and the storming of Al-Aqsa Mosque.'' Before any action you need a cause, The law of Nature is Action - Reaction. For Hamas this ''storming of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, that can be for them a cause to start the war! Why shouls israel bomb Gaza they were doing nothing to use ( then after their firing of Rockets on May 9th?) That was our cause!

[Balanbam00]

Claret in Budapest: There is no logic in Israel bombing Gaza the first to start ! Why should it ? Gaza is not our business. Just no entry from there, except in special cases ,( i.e. being brought to a hospital.)

This Pandemic is finishing and Israel is the first to open ,(maybe after Gibraltar ) Tourism is as great economic source, Europeans, yes the Brits, can come here, in fact open to all where they have a Covid pass. So why start a war ,when that would stop any tourism?? There is no logic in that ! The leadership would have to be crazy to have started that war.

Also yesterday, the firing stopped, we could have done to them more damage, there may be also more tunnels, more weapons stored etc? But just think if we open for tourism! There has to be a state of peace! We did not start this war.( remember for 1 year no tourism!)

Also, Hamas spoke of ''turning Israel into a living hell,'' With having even a hundred rockets they could say this ?? No, they had this planned, Iran wants to break that connection that Israel is constructing with the Gulf states and later the Saudis. Iran being Shiite, and Saudia Arabia, Sunni, "two Muslim sentiments'' ( in football Rovers and Burnley ) would you like both clubs to join??I think they hate each other! So it is with Sunni and Shia.

The Israeli connection with those Gulf states was not good for Iran ,it had destroy it. The rest is history ! But if you say we started first ,what was the cause?

[sinkov]

Historian Andrew Roberts points out what should be bleedin obvious to the Palestinians by now,

"To listen to some in the anti-Israel movement today – which extends far further into Britain’s media than it should – one might imagine that the Palestinian exodus of 73 years ago was somehow an occurrence unique in modern history. The truth is very different. For all sorts of geopolitical reasons, many groups were forcibly or voluntarily moved during the troubled decade of the 1940s. There were no fewer than 20 different groups – including the Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus of the Punjab, the Crimean Tartars, the Japanese and Korean Kuril and Sakhalin Islanders, the Soviet Chechen, Ingush and Balkars – who were displaced in that period, many in their tens or hundreds of thousands.

None of the specific circumstances are directly comparable. But all of these peoples chose to try to make the best of their new environs except one, and most have succeeded. Some, such as those who emigrated to the United States, have done so triumphantly. The sole exception has been the Palestinians, whose leaders again and again chose to embrace fanatical irredentism and recurrent intifadas regardless of the interests of their people. The rubble seen in Gaza today is all they have to show for it.

The Palestinian militant cadres chose the terrorist path while every other one of the displaced people of the late-1940s chose the peaceful one of moving on with their national stories, looking forward, rather than back to a past that has grown rosier through the distorting prism of hindsight."

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Nethanyu will make sure the Palestinians history ends here.

[Balanbam00]

That's not true BT, The so called Palestinians want a state, or a country but they are wanting all, and when they get it they would merge into the great 'Ummah'. A united Muslim community stretching from Morocco to India. The question is would they stop there?