OT Shortage of lorry drivers? What is to blame?

[flourbasher]

Have the people who wanted to remain forgotten already that they,ve been vaccinated if they want to be by the British govt.
We decided how we were going to do it, got it done and didn't have to be dictated to by any other nation or organisation.
Does anyone seriously think that we would have achieved that if we were still in the EU.
Friends I have in France said the country was completely disorganised for months regarding vaccinations and if the media were to be believed so were the other European nations.

One key thing we all need is our health and that would have been compromised by others. Can't have that under any circumstances.

The vaccination procedure is a prime example of why it was the right decision to leave. We need to be in control and not be dictated to and dragged down by the ineptitude of others who just want to take advantage of the British taxpayers for their own gain.
Yes indeed, we told you so

[great_fire]

Starmer wants to bring in 100,000 foreign lorry drivers and the Tories want the employers to pay higher wages, bit of a role reversal from the past.

[great_fire]

In answer to OP; retirements, Brexit, IR35, Covid, DVLA.

[Heliosphan]

I also have my own quirky way of spelling arguement and a few other words. A long time ago I made a decision to embrace having a certain character to typing, since I don't think it impacts on readability. I don't even have a built in dictionary in my browser for auto correct, though I am also prone to typos. If people pick up on it that's a reflection on them as I see it. Personally, I enjoy a world with a little disorder.

After reading this, I think you use this forum (and probably others) as a means of escape. I'm guessing you suffer from low self esteem and therefore you coming on here, baiting and belittling people, makes you feel better about your circumstances in the real world. It's as if you try hard to create an online image of yourself, perhaps of how you'd like to be in reality, but sadly for you, aren't. I'm curious, do your family and friends know you have quirky ways of spelling words or that a long time ago you decided to embrace a certain character to typing? It all sounds a bit babyish to me.

You and I both know that the reason you don't post about football is because there are people on this forum who know a lot more about it than you do. And of course, coming across as a being a bit of a moron in that regard, wouldn't reconcile with this pseudo-intelligent image you present.

I know I'm right.

[Stovicmiller]

Fact: the majority of people who have emptied the filling stations voted Brexit

you must be taking the piss . Although I have heard of service stations asking which way the customers voted in or out . I’m kidding.

[mygiddypant]

you must be taking the piss . Although I have heard of service stations asking which way the customers voted in or out . I’m kidding.

I had a thought. And it became a fact. It's easy Stovic.

Trump, Johnson and Pretty Awful Patel are my role models.

[avondalemiller]

I think you could also say being in Europe and free movement didn't help. Eastern Europeans working for poor money and the companies loving it. Now they've gone back, for what ever reason, there's a shortage of drivers, and the companies are now having to pay decent money out to employ people.
There's also a shortage of drivers in Europe at the moment so can't really see how us not being in Europe has caused it.

There's also a shortage in just about every skilled job going at the moment. Over the last few years the price for dry lining dropped due to cheap foreign labour.
So get ready for inflation going up next......because everything is going up.....

Like Howdy says some people don't want to work, they just want to moan about everything. How do these people get away with it?? Job centre wanted me to keep a list of job applications to show them i was looking for work. I just didn't bother claiming in the end and waited for my pension to kick in 10 months later.

[John2]

There's also a shortage of drivers in Europe at the moment so can't really see how us not being in Europe has caused it.

There's been a large shortage of drivers in all of Europe for many years.

If you look at Poland they've got a way bigger shortage than the UK has now, per capita.

A big difference is that they're connected by land borders to EU countries. That means it is comparatively trivial to use drivers from nearby countries with no additional paperwork, visas or friction at the borders. The driver shortage is basically diluted between the entire EU.

In the UK when a company has a job they need doing we can't just ask a French company to do it, the friction is a whole different world.

The thing about shortages is you'll often not notice them until all of a sudden its too late and "the straw has broken the camels back". That's what I think we're seeing in the UK in a way I think that Europe is cushioned from. Regardless of frogs experiences we're getting a whole different world of problems in the UK from anything currently happening on the continent. Covid and Brexit combined have been that straw for us. All sorts of unforseen consequences could be around the corner, and its not an easy problem to fix.

[gm_gm]

There's been a large shortage of drivers in all of Europe for many years.

If you look at Poland they've got a way bigger shortage than the UK has now, per capita.

A big difference is that they're connected by land borders to EU countries. That means it is comparatively trivial to use drivers from nearby countries with no additional paperwork, visas or friction at the borders. The driver shortage is basically diluted between the entire EU.

In the UK when a company has a job they need doing we can't just ask a French company to do it, the friction is a whole different world.

The thing about shortages is you'll often not notice them until all of a sudden its too late and "the straw has broken the camels back". That's what I think we're seeing in the UK in a way I think that Europe is cushioned from. Regardless of frogs experiences we're getting a whole different world of problems in the UK from anything currently happening on the continent. Covid and Brexit combined have been that straw for us. All sorts of unforseen consequences could be around the corner, and its not an easy problem to fix.

lol...you are half right but as usual devoid of true facts for the actuals truth

[John2]

lol...you are half right but as usual devoid of true facts for the actuals truth

Thanks for replying with facts and your truth so we can have a meaningful discussion rather than vague vacuous snipe that's cheap and contributes nothing.