O/T:- Banks

[Magpies1959]

Haha 'the Establishment, which is about as far right as they come', that has got to be the funniest thing, since LW rode an E-scooter up Weekday Cross

[Elite_Pie]

Haha 'the Establishment, which is about as far right as they come', that has got to be the funniest thing, since LW rode an E-scooter up Weekday Cross

So who do you class as 'the Establishment'?

[OchPie]

Haha 'the Establishment, which is about as far right as they come', that has got to be the funniest thing, since LW rode an E-scooter up Weekday Cross

I'm glad it amused you, but it isn't what I said.

[Newish Pie]

Oh Noes, I understand that other viewpoints may be valid. Just because i understand other viewpoints exist and may be valid does not mean I agree with them. I get my news from multiple sources, I can recognise when these sources are pushing their narrative rather than giving a balanced view. When the BBC is reporting on certain issues they will always push the left wing viewpoint, can you point to an area where the BBC reports and has a right wing viewpoint?

Your response says everything about you really.

Can I point to an area where the BBC reports and has a right wing viewpoint?
Yes. OchPie has given a good list. Industrial relations is the most egregious and most obvious. I've already mentioned a number of areas in previous posts.

Will you agree?
No.

Do I think you'll engage constructively with anything I say?
Also no.

[Newish Pie]

Marcus you should know by now that unless you think like the Lefties do you are a bad person.

See, I can't tell whether you actually literally mean this, or whether it's just a bit of humour or hyperbole and I'm guilty of taking everything too seriously. Which.. yeah, I can do.

But if you do mean it literally, I don't think that's correct at all. We're surely all capable of disagreeing on all kinds of things without concluding that the people we disagree with are bad people. This 'writing off' of people we disagree with is a feature of US politics and one I very much want the UK to avoid, and demonising opponents ("the lefties" etc) is a big part of that. Convincing your team that the other team hate you, and that therefore you should hate them, is one way this starts.

[Magpies1959]

Newish Pie, my comment about 'thinking the same as Lefties', was aimed in particular at two or three members of this board, and the very hard line left wingers. Whatever you think about right of centre politics, those with that viewpoint are generally more likely to agree to disagree, rather than resulting to patronising comments, and hate speech, which ironically they 'made a thing'.

Och Pie please explain what you did say then.

[Elite_Pie]

Newish Pie, my comment about 'thinking the same as Lefties', was aimed in particular at two or three members of this board, and the very hard line left wingers. Whatever you think about right of centre politics, those with that viewpoint are generally more likely to agree to disagree, rather than resulting to patronising comments, and hate speech, which ironically they 'made a thing'.

Patronising comments?

See post #150

[MarcusCole]

Can I point to an area where the BBC reports and has a right wing viewpoint?
Yes. OchPie has given a good list. Industrial relations is the most egregious and most obvious. I've already mentioned a number of areas in previous posts.

Will you agree?
No.

Do I think you'll engage constructively with anything I say?
Also no.

I generally don't take an interrest in industrial relations but from the little I have read about I wouldn't say they were Right Wing on this but rather will give somewhat grudging support to public sector workers but with a large topping of disapproval. Private sector workers seem to be treated as if they are the incarnate of evil. I will concede they probably lean right in this area.

I also agree that we need to keep talking about these things, it is only through dialogue that we can prevent things getting out of control. I've lived in the states and things are dreadful there. People rightly go on about how Fox is biased but forget all the other mainstream channels are equally biased towards the left. They (CNN etc) even go as far to call Black conservatives white supremacists simply for having the conservative viewpoints.

The failures of Trump are screamed out from CNN MSNBC et al while they cover up for the failing capacity of Joe Biden, then you get the failures of Biden are screamed out by Fox while they cover up Trump's incompetence. When I came back from the states and watched the news here I could see the BBC just trying to copy what CNN and NBC and MSNBC were doing in the states but having to be careful as there are rules they have to follow. When I watch stuff from GB news it just screams at me they are a bunch of amateurs but they do seem to be the ones trying to get other viewpoints across, probably because they are the ones causing waves.

My dad used to tell me the most important question is always - How do you know it isn't you that is wrong. I taken that to heart and like to look into how multiple establishments report on things. I find the Right wing media in most cases as bad as the left wing media with the exceptions of the Independant and the Grauniad, those sites just seem to push out click bait designed to make people angry.

[OchPie]

Och Pie please explain what you did say then.

the Establishment, which is currently as right wing as they come).

The UK has not, in my mind, had a more right wing Establishment than it has currently.

The UK has never had a far right Establishment, thankfully.

[MarcusCole]

But you come across as rather arrogant and dismissive of different views rather than being tolerant.

Where does it state that I have to be tolerant of your views, and as for dismissive, you got that bit right certain views should be dismissed. If someone comes out with a statement that is laughable then it should be laughed at. If you have a point to make that can back up your position let me know, I'll consider it and if you are right I'll concede the point.

As for arrogant, if you want to see it that way then feel free.