ot jeremy corbyn

[rolymiller]

By the way greed is killing this planet but you obviously don't care just blame it on the weak and poor eh? Never do you address poverty except to glibly say the wealth will trickle down well there is no evidence to say it does and you know it never will. Stick to your selfish ways it suits you but it makes you a very poor specimen of a human being.

[KerrAvon]

By the way greed is killing this planet but you obviously don't care just blame it on the weak and poor eh? Never do you address poverty except to glibly say the wealth will trickle down well there is no evidence to say it does and you know it never will. Stick to your selfish ways it suits you but it makes you a very poor specimen of a human being.

We’ve moved onto environmental issues, I see. What is The Great Leader planning to do about such things? Within post 26 you seem to be arguing that everyone is entitled to a ‘decent holiday’. If that isn’t a ‘first world problem’ I really don’t know what is, but how do you think all that travel fits with your environmental concerns?

If you can find a post in which I have said that say ‘the wealth will trickle down’, either glibly or otherwise, let me know and I will stop posting on this site for good. I’ve never said it.

[rolymiller]

Your argument is that the capitalists in this world should be free to make a big pie so that it can all be shared out. The problem is that they keep having a nibble of that pie until there's none left to share and that is being kind to them because most will just eat the pie and say Sid the rest. Are you a pie eater Mr kerrkemps?

[KerrAvon]

Your argument is that the capitalists in this world should be free to make a big pie so that it can all be shared out. The problem is that they keep having a nibble of that pie until there's none left to share and that is being kind to them because most will just eat the pie and say Sid the rest. Are you a pie eater Mr kerrkemps?

I’m fond of a pie, but try not to eat too many, Gisjbert.

[great_fire]

Got to laugh at "principled" Corbyn selling out his working class voters and betraying Brexit in favour of students and middle-class Guardianistas.

[animallittle3]

With all due respect, I have always been clear that the country has changed since the 70s - that's exactly why I will not vote for a Labour Party that seeks to return us to those days.

The Thatcher government ended the closed shop protection racket, imposed democracy on the unions and curbed the intimidation of working people by mass and secondary picketing. Just as importantly, she had the will to face the unions down as you will recall from 1984/5. To be fair to Labour, their 2017 manifesto only promised to repeal the Trade Union Act 2016, but would it stop there? Why should anyone believe that to be so given The Great Leader’s politics, the source of his funding and that he and Len McCluskey appear to be joined at the hip?

If your argument is that people’s attitudes have changed. Take a look at this post of yours from 14 months ago: http://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38178604

So there you are, a member of the Labour Party and of what you imply is a ‘moderate’ Momentum unit, endorsing an article from The Guardian that calls for increased militancy and relishes industrial action.

The enemy within hasn’t disappeared, it’s just waiting for a government that is willing to slip the leash on it.

You mention a number of things that you think people want. You’re probably right, but are they willing to pay for it? The Lib Dems stood on a 1% increase in income tax to increase funding for the NHS and got nowhere in 2017. And when the Bedfordshire Police and Crime Commissioner secured a referendum for an increase in council tax funding for the police, this is what happened:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32694166.

At the time of that referendum, I saw a number of ‘vox pop’ interviews with members of the Bedfordshire public, who pretty much universally said ‘No – we pay enough already’. I suppose that’s why Labour did better than expected in 2017 with their ‘you can have all that you want and more and someone else will pay’ message. The sad thing is that in most other areas of their life, they would recognise that to be a ‘too good to be true’ proposition

People might not want the 70s, but that’s what they risk getting if they return The Great Leader to power. The Great Leader wants to be PM. Whilst it may be inconvenient for him to have some his past words reported, it’s unrealistic of you to expect it not to happen.

So going on strike despite it's legality is militant and harmful to the health of the country ?

Militant university lecturers perhaps !!!

Simple solution of course is to pay people a reasonable wage and keep pay at the rate of inflation .

Stop expecting the NHS staff to work every hour in a day under extreme pressure and stress whilst not offering them anything in return .

Why not work to achieving a culture of respect , dignity and fairness in the workplace ? , one of May's aims before doing the u turn .

If you keep poking people with a stick then they will react .

Almost every industrial action in this day and age is simply reactionary .

Never see you post anything towards achieving better working relations , you simply condemn people for reacting .

Always the way , never the fault of people higher up the chain with you .

Thatcher government provokes miners strike , our fault , naturally !!! .

Perhaps we should have all just shrugged our shoulders , mutted " oh well " and got into line outside the dole office along with the other millions in 1980's Britain looking at years on benefits because there was **** all else round here .

Your Thatcher wet dream is drawing to a close , instigated by the man you have wrote off more times than Thatcher put folk on the dole .

Largest vote for the Tories since Thatcher and still couldn't get a majority , you believe they are going to vote for them again ?

1970's man just had this morning an endorsement from business , directors and the TUC .

[KerrAvon]

So going on strike despite it's legality is militant and harmful to the health of the country ?

Militant university lecturers perhaps !!!

Simple solution of course is to pay people a reasonable wage and keep pay at the rate of inflation .

Stop expecting the NHS staff to work every hour in a day under extreme pressure and stress whilst not offering them anything in return .

Why not work to achieving a culture of respect , dignity and fairness in the workplace ? , one of May's aims before doing the u turn .

If you keep poking people with a stick then they will react .

Almost every industrial action in this day and age is simply reactionary .

Never see you post anything towards achieving better working relations , you simply condemn people for reacting .

Always the way , never the fault of people higher up the chain with you .

Thatcher government provokes miners strike , our fault , naturally !!! .

Perhaps we should have all just shrugged our shoulders , mutted " oh well " and got into line outside the dole office along with the other millions in 1980's Britain looking at years on benefits because there was **** all else round here .

Your Thatcher wet dream is drawing to a close , instigated by the man you have wrote off more times than Thatcher put folk on the dole .

Largest vote for the Tories since Thatcher and still couldn't get a majority , you believe they are going to vote for them again ?

1970's man just had this morning an endorsement from business , directors and the TUC .

I think going on strike is a fairly militant act. Don’t you? It’s a pretty confrontational act. Militancy doesn't necessarily involve throwing bricks at the police and people who want to work.. I also think strikes are generally harmful to the economic health of a country. How could they not be?

When you were whooping it up in December 2016 about the Southern Rail strike, and people getting on their bikes, did you spare a thought for the many people who would be left struggling to get to work, some of them low paid and lacking the means to use more expensive forms of transport? Apparently not given your glee at that dispute.

Thatcher prepared for the miners’ strike with the single intention of taking on and defeating a major union, but the NUM were hardly shrinking violets in the affair. What should you have done? It’s more about what the union should have done, which would to have been to respect the rights of its members by seeking a mandate for official strike action in a national and secret ballot rather than trying to intimidate those members who wouldn’t follow their diktat. As I’ve said before, perhaps the industry would have received a softer landing but for the failure to do that.

The CBI and IOD made encouraging noise about Labours announcement today because they are generally pro EU membership and are, therefore, enthusiastic about proposed policies that tend towards ‘Brexit’ meaning leaving the EU in name only. Whether the Labour voters who gave the party the benefit of the doubt and returned to them from UKIP last year will be equally as keen remains to be seen.

[rolymiller]

Wow, mr kemp, I thought I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by suggesting that you said that wealth created by the rich would tricklo down to the poor so it seems that you are now suggesting wealth created by the rich doesn't get to the poor not even as a trickle. So are you saying the rich keep it all then?

Nice deflection on the caipitalist pie comment by the way just a glib answer to something which is very serious. Millions starving/ homeless/war torn etc. in the world and the best you can come up with is a flippant comment. Plainly you don't care. So lets put it more simply for you: how do we stop these problems in the world (if you do care)_?

[KerrAvon]

Wow, mr kemp, I thought I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by suggesting that you said that wealth created by the rich would tricklo down to the poor so it seems that you are now suggesting wealth created by the rich doesn't get to the poor not even as a trickle. So are you saying the rich keep it all then?

Nice deflection on the caipitalist pie comment by the way just a glib answer to something which is very serious. Millions starving/ homeless/war torn etc. in the world and the best you can come up with is a flippant comment. Plainly you don't care. So lets put it more simply for you: how do we stop these problems in the world (if you do care)_?

You were not giving me the benefit of the doubt when you said that I claimed a trickle-down effect - you were making it up.

What have you done about millions starving/ homeless/war torn etc. in the world? Do you find calling people fascist on this website helps?

[rolymiller]

Answer my question first eh? How do we stop the problems in the world? Prove you at least care even if you don't know the answer. The trickle down comment by the way was not contested by you the last time i made it but in any case you are avoiding my point.

How wealthy should people be allowed to be in a world where there is poverty? Its a straight forward question? Do people need excess wealth? Why? Whats your view?

Do you deserve the wealth you have? Why? Are you more valuable to society than other people who work a lot harder and are a lot more valuable but earn a lot less?eg nurses. teachers, careworkers etc.