O/T Which jab have you had?

[WanChaiMiller]

I said it was a good point....meaning worthy of investigation.

I might have said I agree...if I had an opinion.

Well worth looking into though as you have done.

Dont disagree with this. Well worth some
people on this message board looking into it.

I hope you dont mean the science teams that develop these vaccines have neglected this part of the research. I dint think they have.

[the_idiotb_stardson]

Dont disagree with this. Well worth some
people on this message board looking into it.

I hope you dont mean the science teams that develop these vaccines have neglected this part of the research. I dint think they have.

I think you are more up on it than me wanchai but thank you for the heads up. The Spanish Flu reference is very interesting and I will look into it.

I cant remember which poster it was who was very good on medical stuff ( beside Kempo).

Think it was John 2...always good for research.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

I think you are more up on it than me wanchai but thank you for the heads up. The Spanish Flu reference is very interesting and I will look into it.

I cant remember which poster it was who was very good on medical stuff ( beside Kempo).

Think it was John 2...always good for research.

Indeed yes, reported so well and verbatim that you could easily trace the source of his wisdom.

[WanChaiMiller]

Different solutions to a different problem in a different era though.
I don't think anyone knows whether there are any long term side effects and the authorities are putting pressure on everyone to have it because the alternative would be unacceptable and catastrophic.
I can see their point and it's a balancing judgement call whereby people have to consider the benefits and risks and then make a decision for themselves

The only problem I have with all this is that when learned people are asked about the long term side effects they aren't actually being honest and respond in an evasive way that suggests it's completely safe. In reality they don't actually know

Ive rewritten this.

Yet very similar. I agree, though, this version of a vaccine is new, we cant know 100%.

Vaccines are not completely new. There will be similar stuff and be bodies of research to fall back on. The Oxford team were working in this area of science well before Covid came along. That is why they were able tweak their research and produce the vaccine so quick. They werent starting from scratch.

[ragingpup]

Ive rewritten this.

Yet very similar. I agree, though, this version of a vaccine is new, we cant know 100%.

Vaccines are not completely new. There will be similar stuff and be bodies of research to fall back on. The Oxford team were working in this area of science well before Covid came along. That is why they were able tweak their research and produce the vaccine so quick. They werent starting from scratch.

There was a good Panarama doc about the development of the Oxford virus, and you're right. We already have a long history of developing vaccines for virus, and many of us have one annually already. It was produced quickly by the Oxford, and other teams, as it was more adjusting, tweaking, refining existing formula that we already use/know and trust without conspiracies.

Love the shock-horror posts about the Government actually having different strategies to pursuade/cajole/legislate on their populations. No **** guys!

[great_fire]

There was a good Panarama doc about the development of the Oxford virus, and you're right. We already have a long history of developing vaccines for virus, and many of us have one annually already. It was produced quickly by the Oxford, and other teams, as it was more adjusting, tweaking, refining existing formula that we already use/know and trust without conspiracies.

That's actually untrue, only the Chinese vaccines are traditional vaccines like the one we use for flu (inactivated vaccines).

The Oxford one is an adaptation of the one they were working on to treat MERS in Saudi Arabia.

You can see the different types of vaccine here:

https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/types

As you can see the viral vector vaccines like the Oxford one and Sputnik 5 and messenger RNA vaccines like the Pfizer and Moderna ones have only been used on a wide scale to treat Covid.

[ragingpup]

That's actually untrue, only the Chinese vaccines are traditional vaccines like the one we use for flu (inactivated vaccines).

The Oxford one is an adaptation of the one they were working on to treat MERS in Saudi Arabia.

You can see the different types of vaccine here:

https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/types

As you can see the viral vector vaccines like the Oxford one and Sputnik 5 and messenger RNA vaccines like the Pfizer and Moderna ones have only been used on a wide scale to treat Covid.

From your own link:

For decades, scientists studied viral vector vaccine***ternal Link: You are leaving vaccines.gov and entering a non-federal website. View full disclaimer.. Some vaccines recently used for Ebola outbreaks have used viral vector technology, and a number of studies have focused on viral vector vaccines against other infectious diseases such as Zika, flu, and HIV. Scientists used this technology to make COVID-19 vaccines as well.

Viral vector vaccines use a modified version of a different virus as a vector to deliver protection. Several different viruses have been used as vectors, including influenza, vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV), measles virus, and adenovirus, which causes the common cold. Adenovirus is one of the viral vectors used in some COVID-19 vaccines being studied in clinical trials.

[great_fire]

From your own link:

For decades, scientists studied viral vector vaccine***ternal Link: You are leaving vaccines.gov and entering a non-federal website. View full disclaimer.. Some vaccines recently used for Ebola outbreaks have used viral vector technology, and a number of studies have focused on viral vector vaccines against other infectious diseases such as Zika, flu, and HIV. Scientists used this technology to make COVID-19 vaccines as well.

Viral vector vaccines use a modified version of a different virus as a vector to deliver protection. Several different viruses have been used as vectors, including influenza, vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV), measles virus, and adenovirus, which causes the common cold. Adenovirus is one of the viral vectors used in some COVID-19 vaccines being studied in clinical trials.

That's not widespread usage.

[the_idiotb_stardson]

I don't quite know what to make of that reply Raging?

So using the euphemisms of "persuade , cajole and legislate' for the government nudge units ( it is I would argue more appropriate to use terms like "scare" and "manipulate" but I won't quibble) of which you are aware ("no shi t") you then gobble up info from the state-media, BBC 1 Panorama.

So you are saying I know I am being cajoled but believe the media that does the cajoling.

Insanity surely?

[ragingpup]

I don't quite know what to make of that reply Raging?

So using the euphemisms of "persuade , cajole and legislate' for the government nudge units ( it is I would argue more appropriate to use terms like "scare" and "manipulate" but I won't quibble) of which you are aware ("no shi t") you then gobble up info from the state-media, BBC 1 Panorama.

So you are saying I know I am being cajoled but believe the media that does the cajoling.

Insanity surely?

State media propaganda? Panarama? Not saying that BBC or any other media organisation are above bias by any means, but that seemed like a sound fact based programme to me. Can you wantch it and throw evidence based questions at the research and facts presented?

I'm amused that the extent of media, government and especially the use of media and government by stakeholders for the purpose of populace 'pursuasion' should be a surprise and outrage to you is all. Especially as you link also to a Telegraph article! Of course the BBC can produce biased output, but the fact that extremists on the left and right claim they are the devil suggests that Auntie seems to have a prximity on balance. But I'd never pursuade an extremist on either side on that for sure