Careless Tories!

[swaledale]

…and are poor losers

Lets just examine that statement.

Those that wanted to remain in the Eu lost the referendum, yes we did. I believe the margin was 52% leave 48% remain.

There is also the little matter that just over 26% of the electorate actually voted for Brexit - hardly the "will" of the people, yes I accept more should have voted, but even so no matter how you spin it, its the will of those who voted, NOT the people and any policy that is implemented that isn't clearly backed by the majority of the electorate is going to be a failure.

Furthermore, there is ample proof that the information provided by the Leave campaign was inaccurate and in many instances complete lies, that £350 million on the side of the bus being just one example. But a number of examples can be provided for those who question this.

Then there is the dodgy funding arrangements of vote leave that has never been fully explained.

Now, the type of Brexit was never made explicit, indeed by the promises made by Brexit supporters, easy trade deal, virtually the same benefits outside the EU as in it, frictionless trade talk of a Norway style deal, etc etc, one would reasonably assume a "soft" Brexit was on the cards - and indeed would have been appropriate seeing as there wasn't an overwhelming mandate from the voters.

The UK could leave the political involvement in the EU, but retain access to single market and the customs union, no doubt a bespoke deal could have been negotiated on issues like free movement etc. But no the hard right cabal took over the Tory party and a hard Brexit with a piss poor deal (even now admitted by some Brexit supporting politicians and some business leaders who backed Brexit.) was negotiated.

It became clear that those who promoted and supported Brexit had no plan for implementing it and actually beyond meaningless slogans no idea what would happen. Farage, went as far as to say, if Brexit wasn't a success he would just leave the UK!

So if for example Derby had lost last nights match due to having a player wrongly sent off, denied a clear penalty and having two perfectly legitimate goals disallowed you presumably wouldn't be describing fans who protested about this as "poor losers"?

But aside from all that, if an action is taken that has proven not to be in the best interests of the country, indeed has actually damaged the country. Then the only perverse people are those who still claim that it was worthwhile and that people who want to re-join the EU or at least take steps to address the economic issues it has created by re-joining the single market and the customs union are poor losers!

At the moment you ahve Tory politicians going round and the only Brexit benefit they can point to is that the UK implemented the Covid vaccine a month earlier than the EU. Now this another clear lie, because for one, the UK when in the EU, had the power to approve a vaccine independently of the EU, Brexit didn't enable that, the Uk was always able to do it.

So yes if your a little bit dim, ( and also arrogant) you'd say those that talk about Brexit and argue about it has been a disaster are poor losers. But if you had any intelligence, you'd realise that IF Brexit even appeared to be a success, then there would be very little for Remainers to talk about. QED!

[Ramshank72]

Talking of Brexit, I had a day trip to Ireland today, totally seamless, bravo to those who made the border issue work.

[swaledale]

Talking of Brexit, I had a day trip to Ireland today, totally seamless, bravo to those who made the border issue work.

Travel to Republic of Ireland has always been seamless, we have a common travel area thats existed prior to and after we left the EU.

[MadAmster]

Don't see why it's a poor analogy. Neither scenario allows for a changing of the mind. The Scots are being denied a changing of the mind too.
As for the rest of us. We can't protest anymore. The right to strike is being eroded. Mone started up a company. It had been in existence 3 whole weeks. Had £100 in the bank, no employees and hadn't made a single transaction in its entire 3 week existence. HMG (Toraidhe) gave them a £203M PPE contract. Am I alone in thinking this should be investigated by the relevant authorities? Did the people vote for it?

I think it's safe to say, this is as corrupt a lot in power, in fact, way more so, as we've ever had. Lock em up.

[Andy_Faber]

Don't see why it's a poor analogy. p.

Because it analogises an outcome of 100% death with an actual outcome of virtually nil death (and I will grant you that it wouldn’t be actually nil). So, no argument with the setup, just the outcome

[Geoff Parkstone]

Whilst the scenario you paint may be more or less accurate, is it fair to blame it all on Brexit. Yes Brexit will be contributory, but so too was/is COVID and now is the energy crisis sparked by war.

So don't blame the whole sorry state of affairs in one thing, just because it suits your agenda.

[ramAnag]

Whilst the scenario you paint may be more or less accurate, is it fair to blame it all on Brexit. Yes Brexit will be contributory, but so too was/is COVID and now is the energy crisis sparked by war.

So don't blame the whole sorry state of affairs in one thing, just because it suits your agenda.

He isn’t. He’s simply pointing out the ‘negative effects of Brexit’. You yourself concede ‘Brexit will be contributary’ so are you really suggesting that people knowingly voted for something that now falls into the same category as Covid and Putin in terms of harming the UK economy?

[Geoff Parkstone]

He isn’t. He’s simply pointing out the ‘negative effects of Brexit’. You yourself concede ‘Brexit will be contributary’ so are you really suggesting that people knowingly voted for something that now falls into the same category as Covid and Putin in terms of harming the UK economy?

what happened to your mantra of letting Swale fight his own corner? Do I dare, yes I do, rat-a-tat-tat

[ramAnag]

what happened to your mantra of letting Swale fight his own corner? Do I dare, yes I do, rat-a-tat-tat

Oh ffs...firstly there is no such mantra...secondly I’m sure he’s more than capable...thirdly why didn’t you say the same thing to MA when he defended Swale’s analogy earlier today...fourthly why don’t you defend the stupidity of your earlier statement when you tried to defend Brexit by inadvertently comparing it with Covid and War, instead of repeatedly reusing your infantile ‘rat-a-tat-tat’.
If you have nothing sensible to add...you know the rest!

[swaledale]

Whilst the scenario you paint may be more or less accurate, is it fair to blame it all on Brexit. Yes Brexit will be contributory, but so too was/is COVID and now is the energy crisis sparked by war.

So don't blame the whole sorry state of affairs in one thing, just because it suits your agenda.

Oh my, I haven't blamed it all on Brexit and yes the war in Ukraine has had an impact, though that doesn't explain why energy prices are much higher in the Uk than the rest of the EU. Nor does it explain why UK's growth is behind most of the EU.

Furthermore, staff shortages have nothing to do with Covid/war - other than it seems a large number of over 50's have decided not to return to work and who can blame them?

In any case its not my agenda, its the reality of Brexit!! There is enough clear documented evidence as to the downsides of Brexit, there is little to support the assertion currently being made by many Tories that it is working and the UK is enjoying its many benefits!

I mean I am open to somebody somewhere showing me a benefit, just one will do.