Election Year or Fear!

[SithHappens]

I'd be interested in knowing how many people who were anti Vax, citing the risks (which I don't think the media helped with), but would happily encourage their girlfriend or wife to take the contraceptive pill? The risk of complications taking the pill are similar to that of vaccines.

[Andy_Faber]

I'd be interested in knowing how many people who were anti Vax, citing the risks (which I don't think the media helped with), .

The media repeatedly crossed the line between helping the cause and creating fear for the sake of filling column inches and air time IMO. I wouldn't trust anything ITV say on health matters after the reckless way they sewed doubt in the mind of young mothers during the 'autism from MMR' controversy, which arose when my kids were in the 'firing line'

[SithHappens]

It's also important to remember with vaccines it also reduces the risk of transmission.

So it helps others who may be at risk

[SithHappens]

The media repeatedly crossed the line between helping the cause and creating fear for the sake of filling column inches and air time IMO. I wouldn't trust anything ITV say on health matters after the reckless way they sewed doubt in the mind of young mothers during the 'autism from MMR' controversy, which arose when my kids were in the 'firing line'

They did the same during the banking crisis, sensationslist headlines about the likes of Northern Rock running out of money and what happened next? Suddenly people are queuing round the block ti get their money out. I appreciate they have a job to do to report the news but doing so in a responsible manner is key.

[Andy_Faber]

They did the same during the banking crisis, sensationslist headlines about the likes of Northern Rock running out of money and what happened next? Suddenly people are queuing round the block ti get their money out. I appreciate they have a job to do to report the news but doing so in a responsible manner is key.

Off the subject a bit, but there was an interview on this subject on radio 4 last week with a 'respected journalist' (cant recall which, might have been Steven Sackur) who admitted that mainstream news media is becoming like the internet, no filter, any give channel/publication HAS to 'follow the leader' on a given issue in order not to lose ratings/sales. Media manipulation of 'the masses' is one of my hobby horses so I'll get off it and get my breakfast before I get boring

[ramAnag]

Off the subject a bit, but there was an interview on this subject on radio 4 last week with a 'respected journalist' (cant recall which, might have been Steven Sackur) who admitted that mainstream news media is becoming like the internet, no filter, any give channel/publication HAS to 'follow the leader' on a given issue in order not to lose ratings/sales. Media manipulation of 'the masses' is one of my hobby horses so I'll get off it and get my breakfast before I get boring

‘The medium is the message.’

[Andy_Faber]

‘The medium is the message.’

ah yes, Marsh nailed it

[Geoff Parkstone]

On a broader level yes, TTR is not ever going to be in charge of anything! Even on the broader level I've come to the conclusion that most people wouldn't recognise reality if it smacked them in the face.

I know the AF's and G's of this world scoff when I talk about 1930's Germany, but one would either have to be wilfully blind or just complacent not to recognise what's happening around the world. One would think people would learn from history and not get suckered twice, but as ironically history shows, people often don't learn from history.

You and me and probably AF and GP won't necessarily see the full effects, but I do fear for the future of our children and grandchildren.

I also realise that people think you and I are so far "left" in our views that we are blind to what others feel and see, that of course is not the case, but its a useful distraction for those blindly swallowing billionaires *******s, which its obvious is only pushed to benefit the billionaires.

Assuming that I am the G, I can see signs of increasing right wing influences in this country, and indeed the USA, but notice more in the former eastern european countries: well I say former eastern european countries, but they are still there!! Former eastern bloc, eg Hungary. Poland.

Is this as dangerous as Germany in the 20's and 30's? Not yet, it seems more a pushback against uncontrolled immigration as opposed to ostracizing existing citizens but it is a trend that could escalate. I don't think Europe is yet vulnerable to rampant Hungarian forces marching into Paris etc, but the internal politics gives cause for a little concern.

In UK I don't see right wing activism as being anything like as influential as Moseley was but there is a growing anti immigrant /islamaphobic tendency even among otherwise moderate individuals that I know.

I'm not sure it's on a par with Germany though. Nazism developed there in an atmosphere of post WW1 reparations and a global economic crash and thus was driven by poverty and anger against the haves.

[Andy_Faber]

Assuming that I am the G, I can see signs of increasing right wing influences in this country, and indeed the USA, but notice more in the former eastern european countries: well I say former eastern european countries, but they are still there!! Former eastern bloc, eg Hungary. Poland.

Is this as dangerous as Germany in the 20's and 30's? Not yet, it seems more a pushback against uncontrolled immigration as opposed to ostracizing existing citizens but it is a trend that could escalate. I don't think Europe is yet vulnerable to rampant Hungarian forces marching into Paris etc, but the internal politics gives cause for a little concern.

In UK I don't see right wing activism as being anything like as influential as Moseley was but there is a growing anti immigrant /islamaphobic tendency even among otherwise moderate individuals that I know.

I'm not sure it's on a par with Germany though. Nazism developed there in an atmosphere of post WW1 reparations and a global economic crash and thus was driven by poverty and anger against the haves.

I agree that that ‘tendency’ is gaining traction, it seems from what I see to be moving down the age demographic and up the class/prosperity demographic, just from personal observation. Noticeable is the reintroduction of the ‘P’ word perjoratively into social chatter

[Trickytreesreds]

I agree that that ‘tendency’ is gaining traction, it seems from what I see to be moving down the age demographic and up the class/prosperity demographic, just from personal observation. Noticeable is the reintroduction of the ‘P’ word perjoratively into social chatter

The crux of it for me. Is the financial and political elites, have pushed the continent down an immigration alley that has lost all control. They never asked to do this and refuse to listen to ever growing objections by native populations. The Eastern bloc countries have said, they will preserve their cultures at all costs and reject any part of it. Folks forget, they were stipped of their culture by the CCCP and politically hammered. They haven't forgotten.

Multicultualism only works, if amy immigrants want and try to adapt to places they settle. Not all of them are.
GP mentions the eastern bloc, as comparisons of Nazi Germany, yet in Amsterdam, you saw that very thing the other night. Gangs out on Jew hunts and stopping people demanding to see their "papers".
If this is the norm, what happens when these populations grow?