O/T:- Covid Trump

[i961pie]

I think Trump is trying to cling on because of all the law suits that are probably awaiting him when he leaves office.

[Evesham Pie]

I think Trump is trying to cling on because of all the law suits that are probably awaiting him when he leaves office.

And possibly some criminal. He must be worried about what happens next when he can't manipulate the legal machine to make problems go away.

[upthemaggies]

And possibly some criminal. He must be worried about what happens next when he can't manipulate the legal machine to make problems go away.

Well, if he does concede defeat, which I think he will, he's still in office until January, which is worrying.

As for oldpie's football comparison, a perceived unjust incident in a football match is a huge deal if you lose by one goal, you don't wait until the end of the match to protest it if you think it's going to affect the outcome. If you end up losing 4-1, most people will accept it and move on.

[rorylee]

I think Trump is trying to cling on because of all the law suits that are probably awaiting him when he leaves office.

Exactly this IMO

With rumoured $300m debts, personally guaranteed by him to be paid back in the next 4 years to foreign banks and investors also. It's fairly easy to keep those away when you can dictate trade and tariffs with the very country those banks are from. Likewise, when you can use the US Justice Department as your personal toy to bat away potential indictments from the Manhattan DA and New York attorney general it's easy to see why he'd want to cling onto power. Likewise running to the Supreme Court when things don't go his way is another tactic. This has never been about what he can do for his country and all about what his country can do for him.

[sidders]

Exactly this IMO

With rumoured $300m debts, personally guaranteed by him to be paid back in the next 4 years to foreign banks and investors also. It's fairly easy to keep those away when you can dictate trade and tariffs with the very country those banks are from. Likewise, when you can use the US Justice Department as your personal toy to bat away potential indictments from the Manhattan DA and New York attorney general it's easy to see why he'd want to cling onto power. Likewise running to the Supreme Court when things don't go his way is another tactic. This has never been about what he can do for his country and all about what his country can do for him.

Excellent post, Rory.

[Mapperleypie]

Exactly this IMO

With rumoured $300m debts, personally guaranteed by him to be paid back in the next 4 years to foreign banks and investors also. It's fairly easy to keep those away when you can dictate trade and tariffs with the very country those banks are from. Likewise, when you can use the US Justice Department as your personal toy to bat away potential indictments from the Manhattan DA and New York attorney general it's easy to see why he'd want to cling onto power. Likewise running to the Supreme Court when things don't go his way is another tactic. This has never been about what he can do for his country and all about what his country can do for him.

Exactly this. We have entered dangerous territory.

There is no doubt Trump is trying to negotiate some sort of immunity before he leaves office.

He only cares for himself, if the whole of the US needs to go down to save his own skin he will see that as a price worth paying.

Will he do the honourable thing this weekend?

[Old_pie]

Will he do the honourable thing this weekend?

If he on this board I'm sure he'd read this as 'horrible thing'

[the_anticlough]

Pending a Supreme Court ruling though.

Most commentators say that lawsuits have to work their way up local and state courts before they get to the SC.

By then Biden will probably be sitting on 306 electoral college votes and a lead of over 5 million people in the popular vote...

I don't think the SC would even contemplating overturning a result like that, if it ever reaches them.

[upthemaggies]

Most commentators say that lawsuits have to work their way up local and state courts before they get to the SC.

By then Biden will probably be sitting on 306 electoral college votes and a lead of over 5 million people in the popular vote...

I don't think the SC would even contemplating overturning a result like that, if it ever reaches them.

I think Trump would back down in those circumstances.

[Elite_Pie]

I think Trump would back down in those circumstances.

I don't. Even if Biden wins all the remaining states I can't see Trump ever conceding defeat, his massive ego just won't allow him to do it.

However overwhelming the numbers are he will still insist he was the rightful winner until his dying day.