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[optipez]

What I think you’re struggling to do is view these two things differently.

I’m of the idea that our aim at this level is always promotion, and if we don’t achieve it then we’ve not hit where we should. I think one of the reasons that we didn’t this season was we maybe didn’t have that ‘we need to win this’ mentality going into every game, particularly some of those tricky away ones.

BUT I also don’t think that not getting promoted means that everything we’re doing is wrong, every one needs to be sacked, everything is terrible and we need to do the opposite next year. If anything I think that’s even less likely to get us promoted.

I think the main reason was having the wrong manager. I'm pretty sure Challinor, Ardley, Parkinson, Hurst and Cook or Rowe would have done better than fifth and seen is through at least one play-off leg.

[jacobncfc]

I think the main reason was having the wrong manager. I'm pretty sure Challinor, Ardley, Parkinson, Hurst and Cook or Rowe would have done better than fifth and seen is through at least one play-off leg.

Yeah, I tend to agree (although let’s be honest Parkinson and Cook are two we’d have lauded but have massively underachieved this season as well).

[matt_magpie]

Yeah, I tend to agree (although let’s be honest Parkinson and Cook are two we’d have lauded but have massively underachieved this season as well).

Cooks took some right stick from their fans after they thought their messiah was returning and Chesterfield were faltering under Rowe too b4 tishamanga got injured. Hurst was getting a fair bit too after they fell away earlier this season and he was in charge of them when they got relegated. I wouldn’t be sure Parkinson will last unless they get a decent start, I would assume their owners think their going to walk it next season.

[BigFatPie]

Just for the record I was bitterly disappointed too, particularly about Notts, but not anywhere near to the point of giving up hope. I've felt far worse about our future prospects in the past.

I think we've seen a couple of new signings in the past couple of days alone that give plenty of cause for optimism, similar to the recruitment of Cal Roberts. We're signing young(ish) up-and-coming players who probably have their best years ahead of them and will be full of ambition, on wages we can presumably afford.

I can accept that any club's ownership, management model and philosophy (if they have one) will never be universally popular with all fans, and message boards like this will always be a forum for those who aren't convinced, but surely if you're going to criticise or even dismiss the current approach then the next step is to set out what you want to change, otherwise it's all a bit meaningless.

What's your vision of the right model or approach? What needs to change, and how? Playing style? Recruitment? Type of manager? The owners? We know what some posters are against, but what are they agitating for?

As I've said before, I'm happy with the owners and broadly happy with the overall set-up of the club. I think there are greater levels of professionalism throughout the club today than we saw in the past. My only criticism is that, on the pitch, we dropped some stupid points away from home and looked too much of a soft touch too often, but that can be addressed by adding the right type of steely players to what we already have, and adopting a slightly more pragmatic style of play without abandoning the idea of an attractive football philosophy. That's my constructive criticism. What do others want to see change?

Good post and I totally agree. I’ve been what some people might see as negative in the other thread, but that was about what happened on the pitch this season. I think the club is in very safe hands, appears to be run very well, and I’m more optimistic about next season than I would had Burchnall still been head coach.

Even thinking about getting a season ticket for the first time in about 25 years..

[Hoppie]

I echo much of what Jackal says really. I’ve seen comments about the lack of progress, and that we’re getting steadily worse (I think I even said the same a few days ago in a moment of despair), but when I stopped to think about it I was wrong.

Professionalism, match day experience, style of play, team spirit, positivity from within the club, communication, marketing, condition of the stadium, investment in the facilities, training ground, consistent and effective recruitment (can’t believe some are questioning this still!), and behind the scenes information and press releases (training ground footage, interviews etc)…….

These are just off the top of my head areas In which the owners have overseen massive improvements within the club, all whilst dealing with a pandemic, not being able to recruit oversees players through their system, and also managing to get us to respectable finishing positions in the league.

Yes, there are areas on the pitch that need improvement but look how far we have come in three years against the odds. The owners have a massive summer ahead, and a massive head coach appointment to get right…but you know what, I’ve more confidence in them getting it right than I have any other owner since I started following Notts…..all whilst not risking everything on it.

Amen

[uysapie]

In my case promotion, simple as that. I'm not clever enough to formulate a detailed plan as to how to make it happen, but promotion is pretty much all I want. I'm not asking for the Championship or even League 1, just for us not to be a non-league club.

Yup.

[uysapie]

I echo much of what Jackal says really. I’ve seen comments about the lack of progress, and that we’re getting steadily worse (I think I even said the same a few days ago in a moment of despair), but when I stopped to think about it I was wrong.

Professionalism, match day experience, style of play, team spirit, positivity from within the club, communication, marketing, condition of the stadium, investment in the facilities, training ground, consistent and effective recruitment (can’t believe some are questioning this still!), and behind the scenes information and press releases (training ground footage, interviews etc)…….

These are just off the top of my head areas In which the owners have overseen massive improvements within the club, all whilst dealing with a pandemic, not being able to recruit oversees players through their system, and also managing to get us to respectable finishing positions in the league.

Yes, there are areas on the pitch that need improvement but look how far we have come in three years against the odds. The owners have a massive summer ahead, and a massive head coach appointment to get right…but you know what, I’ve more confidence in them getting it right than I have any other owner since I started following Notts…..all whilst not risking everything on it.

How far have we come? Knocked out of the playoffs, still in NL.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

You can't re-build continually employing bang average managers who leave you where they found you or worse.

As discussed on MC, it's all about finding the right manager, we see it time and time again, managers come in and transform clubs - literally overnight in some cases with no pre-season, no 4 year plan, no clear out, they come in and take the club by the scruff of the neck. That's what we need at Notts but we almost certainly are not going to see it under these owners any time soon.

I agree with that statement that a good manager / head coach needs to leave the club in a higher position than when they found it. In this league we’ve finished 3rd, 5th and 5th. So whoever comes in ideally needs to get us to finish next season in one of the four places above us.

I’ve listened to that entire episode of MC and it backs up what many of us know that the manager is the most important position at the club. They are the face of the club on the field. That’s why I’m not bothered that the club are not rushing into appointing someone. I do agree that it would be brilliant if we could get someone who gives the club that kick or extra power to get us out of this league. Much like what Dave Challinor did at Stockport. The last manager to do this was Steve Cotteril and Martin Allen. The former was the final piece of the jigsaw and we flew. The latter was an impact manager and a fire fighter.

The new manager / head coach will come in and have to play with the cards he has been dealt with which is fine with me because like Steve Cotteril and Martin Allen many managers that make an impact in the first six months usually do so without any or little transfer activity.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

I echo much of what Jackal says really. I’ve seen comments about the lack of progress, and that we’re getting steadily worse (I think I even said the same a few days ago in a moment of despair), but when I stopped to think about it I was wrong.

Professionalism, match day experience, style of play, team spirit, positivity from within the club, communication, marketing, condition of the stadium, investment in the facilities, training ground, consistent and effective recruitment (can’t believe some are questioning this still!), and behind the scenes information and press releases (training ground footage, interviews etc)…….

These are just off the top of my head areas In which the owners have overseen massive improvements within the club, all whilst dealing with a pandemic, not being able to recruit oversees players through their system, and also managing to get us to respectable finishing positions in the league.

Yes, there are areas on the pitch that need improvement but look how far we have come in three years against the odds. The owners have a massive summer ahead, and a massive head coach appointment to get right…but you know what, I’ve more confidence in them getting it right than I have any other owner since I started following Notts…..all whilst not risking
everything on it.

nice post

[laddo]

Some excellent posts regarding the club, owners and model.

And yes it should go without saying that we all want promotion, even the owners

It will always be the ultimate measure of progress and takes a fair few pieces of the (promotion) puzzle to achieve it.