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[Andy_Faber]

Is it though

when there is actual documented evidence ( as distinct from anecdotal) of people dying!

I !

A yes it is

B because your anecdote says everyone dies

Personally I can roll with the inaccuracy, but when evangelising ‘idiots’ (from either side of our perpetual arguments) offer exaggerations like this it impacts on the impressionable ‘idiots’ you constantly refer to. Note again I say from either side

[swaledale]

A yes it is

B because your anecdote says everyone dies

Personally I can roll with the inaccuracy, but when evangelising ‘idiots’ (from either side of our perpetual arguments) offer exaggerations like this it impacts on the impressionable ‘idiots’ you constantly refer to. Note again I say from either side

Its either an analogy or anecdote, please make your mind up! You are being a tad pedantic here, which is kind of par for the course, rather than addressing the main point, which is that your comment about remainers being poor losers wasn't an accurate description. Puts in mind of scenarios where at work I would be overruled on adopting a certain course of action, which I had a pretty good idea would turn out to be the wrong choice. When the inevitable happened, I would then be accused of being prejudiced because it wasn't what I wanted to do, to which my response was twofold. 1. No its because hasn't worked. 2. Even if I was prejudiced, it still hasn't worked.

[ramAnag]

Its either an analogy or anecdote, please make your mind up! You are being a tad pedantic here, which is kind of par for the course, rather than addressing the main point, which is that your comment about remainers being poor losers wasn't an accurate description. Puts in mind of scenarios where at work I would be overruled on adopting a certain course of action, which I had a pretty good idea would turn out to be the wrong choice. When the inevitable happened, I would then be accused of being prejudiced because it wasn't what I wanted to do, to which my response was twofold. 1. No its because hasn't worked. 2. Even if I was prejudiced, it still hasn't worked.

A ‘tad pedantic’! Understatement of the day.
Analogies are not meant to be taken literally they are a comparison of the partial similarity between objects or scenarios. Hence one might describe Claude Davis as being as much use as a chocolate teapot...or the futility of trying to sort the current Cabinet as being like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. No one actually tried to rearrange any deckchairs as the Titanic went down and there are no such things as chocolate teapots. That is kind of the point.
A car being driven over a cliff edge, because no one will shout ‘stop and think about it’, is IMO, a perfectly valid comparison/analogy with the stupidity and stubbornness of Brexit as our economy plummets.

[Trickytreesreds]

The UK energy crisis, is down to piss poor managment/ green policies/ giving in to green industires.

Gas- We produce more than enough through the year. In fact we spend all summer exporting it to the continent.
We have bugger all storage facllities past a few days. Goverment lack of funding(That is in large part because of a decision taken in 2017 to close Centrica’s Rough storage facility, in the North Sea, which provided 70 per cent of the UK’s gas storage capacity for more than 30 years. It was shuttered after the Government refused to subsidise costly repairs.) , plus the green lobby screaming about gas. Instead, the UK has since relied mainly on a mix of domestic gas sourced from the North Sea, pipeline imports from Europe, and liquified natural gas (LNG) shipments from the likes of Qatar.

It is a diverse set-up that means the country will almost always be able to source enough gas for its needs – but during uncertain times it will have to pay a high price.
Brilliant. The continentals store it and in fact export the bloody stuff back to us in winter? Bonkers.

Leccy-We have scrimped on Nuclear/ abandoned coal, so the impact demands cannot be met without importing electricity.

Bugger about being an EU member. Its poor organisation, when in fact this country is now free to do what the bloody hell it wants without satisfying Brussels.

[Andy_Faber]

Its either an analogy or anecdote, please make your mind up! You are being a tad pedantic here, which is kind of par for the course, rather than addressing the main point, which is that your comment about remainers being poor losers wasn't an accurate description.

Apologies you are correct it wasn’t a poor anecdote it was a poor analogy. And the above wasn’t what I said. And of the declared Remainers here, 50% haven’t been poor losers so logically i wouldn’t consider saying it.

[swaledale]

Apologies you are correct it wasn’t a poor anecdote it was a poor analogy. And the above wasn’t what I said. And of the declared Remainers here, 50% haven’t been poor losers so logically i wouldn’t consider saying it.

Apology accepted. I don't accept its a poor analogy, given that analogy's are a literary device to emphasise a point which are often over dramatic for effect.

Your comment about poor losers, was in response to GP's about (Remainers) making the most noise are those who didn't get what they wanted. You may have thought you were referring to those on this Forum but that thats not how your comment reads in relation to the conversation that was going on which was specifically about the noise/ protests about Brexit generally.

Neither GP or yourself qualified that comment to rA and myself! Anyway have a good holiday and stay off the wacky backy!!

[MadAmster]

Gas. Here in NL we were self sufficient in Gas and still could be. That, however, comes at a price. The huge gas field is under the Province of Groningen. Decades of gas extraction has led to frequent earthquakes which has demolished some houses. Damaged some to the extent they are inhabitable and caused damage to very many dwellings.

You'd expect there to be some compensation paid. You'd be right to expect that too. The NAM, the company that extracted the gas and made themselves and their shareholders (incl the govt) many billions over the decades, decided they wanted no part of any compensation claims so they gave the govt the gas field. Now, 20 years after it was finally agreed that it was the gas extraction that was causing the earthquakes, very few people have received any compo at all. a few hundred whose homes have been declared uninhabitable have been given some compo. That was never at the pre earthquake value of their house but at around 70% of it. Unacceptable IMO.

The population of Groningen are suffering all sorts of mental health issues on the back of this and the earthquakes keep on coming. Last year, an amount of €10K was made available as a sort of "down payment" to affected house owners. On a particular day, the register opened, but you had to be at a particular office building and register in person. At "opening time" thousands were already in the queue. Mid afternoon, the very many still outside were told that the money made available was gone. Taken up by those who had signed up, up to that point.

We had also downgraded our gas reserves as Russian gas was plentiful and cheap. We all know how that ended.

Gas extraction in Groningen was supposed to stop last year in an attempt to reduce and, over time, stop the quakes occurring. We, like the UK, imported a shed load of liquid gas and "we're alright for now". Unfortunately for the good people of Groningen, gas is still being extracted and stored to, alongside more liquid gas imports, prevent another shortage causing more rocketing prices next winter.

Then there's the contract we have with Germany. It seems it contains a clause wherein, if the Germans are short on gas, they can demand, and get, gas from the Netherlands, even if that would leave NL short...

Although our govt is better than the UK one, mistakes are made. IIRC the contract stems from the time the NAM ran the show. The NL govt didn't get the offending clause taken out...

All of the above means that gas is still being extracted from the Groningen field despite them having been told it would stop in 2022. Extraction is, currently, low but could be ramped up again at a minute's notice.

I reckon, in 50 years time, they will still be awaiting compensation. It's not all honey and milk here but it is better than over there...

[Geoff Parkstone]

Sounds a complete buggers muddle and abuse of the residents impacted. Are you sure you didn't have a conservative government to blame it on, or maybe Netherlands left the EU without anyone knowing, and that's really to blame for ineffective energy resourcing.

So for those in favour of fracking, please learn from the lesson above. **** with mother nature and she'll **** you harder later on.

[swaledale]

Sounds a complete buggers muddle and abuse of the residents impacted. Are you sure you didn't have a conservative government to blame it on, or maybe Netherlands left the EU without anyone knowing, and that's really to blame for ineffective energy resourcing.

So for those in favour of fracking, please learn from the lesson above. **** with mother nature and she'll **** you harder later on.

I wasn't inferring that the Eu had energy sources sorted, Germany's over dependence upon Russian gas amply demonstrated that wasn't so. But the Eu has certainly dealt with the energy companies in a much firmer way, resulting in energy prices that are way below what is beign charged in the UK.

Totally agree re fracking, not actually worth it in the UK.

[ramAnag]

So for those in favour of fracking, please learn from the lesson above. **** with mother nature and she'll **** you harder later on.

Completely agree with that, GP. In fact I know of no one with any sense who wouldn’t, but seeing as there have been twenty one licences granted in Derbyshire alone since Truss lifted the restrictions, it is a concern.