O/T:- Palestine / Israel

[Old_pie]

I thought that might one of the reasons. Judaism does not believe Christ to be the son of God, they believe he is a false prophet as there is only one God. Hence you can't have one in heaven and his son on earth. But Islam doesn't recognise him as the son of God either, though they do recognise him as a disciple of God, born of a miracle, (the virgin birth). But as you say, there are half a dozen other religions who do not recognise Jesus. I wondered if the crucifixion itself played a role in this age old "dislike" of the Jews. Though Pilate, (a Roman prefect), was responsible for his actual death, it was the high priest of Jerusalem, (Joseph Caiaphas, a Jew) who gave him up, as he prob saw Jesus as an agitator causing unrest.

The Jews were persecuted and banished from their lands well before Christ.

[maddogslater]

Breaking news, Hamas as announced it will no longer throw LGBTQ+ off tall buildings
"We have no tall buildings left" a Hamas spokesperson said.

[keldsyke]

Worrying and frightening scenes at Dagestan airport in Russia with Islamists storming the terminal and planes looking for Jewish people, the escalation is frightening. The world has gone mad, anarchy mob rule, I fear for the future.

[TheBlackHorse]

... as many have already said, the failure to look back at history leads to the stupid decisions made in current politics.

How do we expect to progress if we allow ancient religions to dictate matters; and why are we surprised when they do?

I came across this: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...s-the-refugees

FACT

Had the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian
would have become a refugee. An independent Arab state would now exist
beside Israel. The responsibility for the refugee problem rests with the
Arabs. The beginning of the Arab exodus can be traced to the weeks
immediately following the announcement of the UN partition resolution.
The first to leave were roughly 30,000 wealthy Arabs who anticipated the
upcoming war and fled to neighbouring Arab countries to await its end.
Less affluent Arabs from the mixed cities of Palestine moved to all-Arab
towns to stay with relatives or friends. By the end of January1948, the
exodus was so alarming the Palestine Arab Higher Committee asked
neighbouring Arab countries to refuse visas to these refugees and to seal
their borders against them.

On January 30, 1948, the Jaffa newspaper, Ash Sha'ab, reported: "The
first of our fifth-column consists of those who abandon their houses and
businesses and go to live elsewhere....At the first signs of trouble
they take to their heels to escape sharing the burden of struggle."

Another Jaffa paper, Sari (March 30, 1948) excoriated Arab villagers
near Tel Aviv for "bringing down disgrace on us all by 'abandoning the villages.”

Meanwhile, a leader of the Arab National Committee in Haifa, Hajj Nimer
el-Khatib, said Arab soldiers in Jaffa were mistreating the residents.
"They robbed individuals and homes"

The biggest laugh, recently, (if it wasn't so serious), was the Saudi's blocking Palestinian refugees in case it altered their way of life.

Shalom

[OchPie]

I came across this: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...s-the-refugees

JVL is a terrible source for anything related to the conflict. Not even Israeli historians believe their line on this any more.

The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited by Benny Morris is an excellent book, even if I find very little to agree with the man about politically. JVL inevitably hate it. But it's not a Pappe-style polemic.

[Magpies1959]

If any good is to come out of this latest conflict, providing it doesn't bring about full scale World war III, and going by the demonstrations happening in our capital city, it will prove that multiculturalism is a something that does not work, certainly mixing of religions, is a recipe for disaster.
We have the enemy within in this country, in ever increasing numbers. I fear for the kids growing up, life is going to be very different for them.

[OchPie]

going by the demonstrations happening in our capital city

There's definitely been a nasty element in the demonstrations and the police seem to be struggling to catch up with them. But from the people I know who attended the two most recent ones (from several religions and none), they say it was a very small minority, far outnumbered by peaceful protestors. I wish both sides would quit with the "from the river to the sea" language though, which just serves to make the other side feel unsafe.

If we're able to have mass protests without violence and intimidation - and that's whether they are for for freedom for Palestinians, for fox hunting, against Iraq, for or against Brexit, or whatever - I think that says something pretty positive about the UK. The instant that switches into aggression, incitement or actual violence, the police should act. It feels like the Met is getting the message.

[Magpies1959]

If you gave the Palestinians/Hamas the freedom they crave and put them somewhere on earth they agreed to. It would not take long for them to, complain about being persecuted in some other form. They clearly just want to kill off the Jewish race.
It is no wonder Israelis feel threatened and retaliate, as you only have to look on the map to see which countries surround them.

[Old_pie]

If you gave the Palestinians/Hamas the freedom they crave and put them somewhere on earth they agreed to. It would not take long for them to, complain about being persecuted in some other form. They clearly just want to kill off the Jewish race.
It is no wonder Israelis feel threatened and retaliate, as you only have to look on the map to see which countries surround them.

Hamas exists to eradicate Israel and has no interest in agreeing a deal, unlike the Palestine Liberation Organisation.

See https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas

[andy6025]

This is an interesting perspective I’ve not heard before. However I doubt many of you will agree with it:

https://tarikcyrilamar.substack.com/...y-and-genocide