O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[frogmiller]

I didn't watch the whole thing but did he compare it to similar figures from a similar length of time prior to Covid? Did he attribute the possible changes to the actual occurrence of Covid or did he just point the finger at vaccines? I don't mind people in influential positions opening their gobs as long as they do it rationally, otherwise he might as well call himself Joey Barton.

I’m a bit emotional over this CAM as you can tell.

It is worth watching it all and seeing the both sides of what he says.

[CAMiller]

I’m a bit emotional over this CAM as you can tell.

It is worth watching it all and seeing the both sides of what he says.

I'll do that later Frog as currently in Hawaii and the Mrs. is dragging me out. I did see the end where he seemed to be intimating some cover up/conspiracy as the PL/EFL or whoever are now no longer recommending vaccines/boosters. Recommending or requiring? If it's the latter then that applies to 99.9% of everywhere that did require them at the height of the pandemic.

With yourself, I think it was Andy a cyclist on here and a friend I have in Ireland I know of at least 3 people who after being full of health have been poleaxed after having the vaccine (strokes and heart failure/arrhythmia) but that in itself doesn't mean they are the equivalent of the anti-Christ (except to those impacted obviously).

[KerrAvon]

Why say that? He’s alarmed by the death of hundreds of professional players that have dropped dead. He also pointed out how many matches had to be stopped for supporters emergencies.
These things just didn’t happen. He’s pointing them out and he’s ridiculed for it.

He’s asking for the matter to be investigated like me and countless others.

I'm not being provocative when I ask this, but I accept that you may not see it that way.

You refer to the deaths of hundreds of players. How many exactly? Can you name them?

How many games have been stopped for supporter's emergencies? What are the figures pre and post vaccination program?

I was at the Southampton game where a supporter fell down a flight of steps and injured his head, which was an awful thing to happen. He could have been in drink, he might have been old and a bit unsteady on his feet, he could have tripped on a shoe lace or he might just have been unlucky and tripped.

Sadly, Matt and his Twitter chums would prefer that he was vaccinated and was suffering a reaction to the same, irrespective of whether there was even a hint of evidence to support that.

I repeat, Twitter is not your friend.

[frogmiller]

I'm not being provocative when I ask this, but I accept that you may not see it that way.

You refer to the deaths of hundreds of players. How many exactly? Can you name them?

How many games have been stopped for supporter's emergencies? What are the figures pre and post vaccination program?

I was at the Southampton game where a supporter fell down a flight of steps and injured his head, which was an awful thing to happen. He could have been in drink, he might have been old and a bit unsteady on his feet, he could have tripped on a shoe lace or he might just have been unlucky and tripped.

Sadly, Matt and his Twitter chums would prefer that he was vaccinated and was suffering a reaction to the same, irrespective of whether there was even a hint of evidence to support that.

I repeat, Twitter is not your friend.

You don’t like some of the things I bring to your attention. Twitter is a tool you can easily use to win an argument tool a lot of people do because it’s portrayed as being a place of scare mongering and conspiracy theories. Elon Musk, the owner of X or Twitter is suing media matters (I think that’s their name) and all its financiers.
Unfortunately most other platforms censor the content and take down anything that their advertisers don’t like. As Elon musk said to Disney when they threatened to do the same ‘Feck them’.

Do we just bow our heads and accept what mainstream media tell us or are we allowed to make up our own minds up?
As mainstream media outlets are owned and controlled by companies with hidden agendas and or are self serving should we just accept what they’re saying as gospel?

The post office debacle is one hell of a story and hardly had any air time until this week.

Of course you’re being provocative, you always have been and it’s to your credit sometimes. You’ve searched through the internet, Wikipedia and other sites to prove your points. You cut and paste the responses to your edits to what has been put to you to distort the importance of a full question. Picking the bones off poster’s responses to create a more acceptable and positive outcome for yourself. You’re a clever bloke!

[Brin]

You don’t like some of the things I bring to your attention. Twitter is a tool you can easily use to win an argument tool a lot of people do because it’s portrayed as being a place of scare mongering and conspiracy theories. Elon Musk, the owner of X or Twitter is suing media matters (I think that’s their name) and all its financiers.
Unfortunately most other platforms censor the content and take down anything that their advertisers don’t like. As Elon musk said to Disney when they threatened to do the same ‘Feck them’.

Do we just bow our heads and accept what mainstream media tell us or are we allowed to make up our own minds up?
As mainstream media outlets are owned and controlled by companies with hidden agendas and or are self serving should we just accept what they’re saying as gospel?

The post office debacle is one hell of a story and hardly had any air time until this week.

Of course you’re being provocative, you always have been and it’s to your credit sometimes. You’ve searched through the internet, Wikipedia and other sites to prove your points. You cut and paste the responses to your edits to what has been put to you to distort the importance of a full question. Picking the bones off poster’s responses to create a more acceptable and positive outcome for yourself. You’re a clever bloke!

''Picking the bones off poster’s responses to create a more acceptable and positive outcome for yourself'' yes Frog that's Kerr for you but, we all know him by now.

[KerrAvon]

I have been provocative on numerous occasions on this site, but I am not being on this thread.

I am provocative when dealing with people who have given me cause to do so. That is not the position with you, Frog.

Yes, I have zero respect for Twitter. It is the wild west of the internet. People can post opinion (or untruths) as fact and make claims about their ability and qualifications with no checks or balances in place. And the site algorithms make sure that viewers see opinions that they think they will like, creating a personalised echo chamber.

Of course people should reach their own views. I would not and do not begrudge you (or anyone else) that. The only thing that I ask is that you look beyond the Twitter algorithms. Why did Twitter show you an image of someone being taken ill on a sports field with zero evidence of that being vaccine related? Is the tragedy of someone being taken ill something that should be exploited to to advance a particular viewpoint on vaccines?

[KerrAvon]

''Picking the bones off poster’s responses to create a more acceptable and positive outcome for yourself'' yes Frog that's Kerr for you but, we all know him by now.

I am less self-opinionated than you, Brin, but I know that you lack the ability or self-awareness to recognise that.

[frogmiller]

I have been provocative on numerous occasions on this site, but I am not being on this thread.

I am provocative when dealing with people who have given me cause to do so. That is not the position with you, Frog.

Yes, I have zero respect for Twitter. It is the wild west of the internet. People can post opinion (or untruths) as fact and make claims about their ability and qualifications with no checks or balances in place. And the site algorithms make sure that viewers see opinions that they think they will like, creating a personalised echo chamber.

Of course people should reach their own views. I would not and do not begrudge you (or anyone else) that. The only thing that I ask is that you look beyond the Twitter algorithms. Why did Twitter show you an image of someone being taken ill on a sports field with zero evidence of that being vaccine related? Is the tragedy of someone being taken ill something that should be exploited to to advance a particular viewpoint on vaccines?

I took the time to look at lancet like you suggested. I found bias in conflict of interests and the funding on two major papers.
You didn’t respond. I have also looked at what raging has suggested. It shows a paper that supports his argument. I said to him that I’d like to have more time. The timeline itself after the injection in particular a concern. I will look again.

I agree that there is stuff on Twitter that should be dismissed and that’s why cross referencing information with the internet is helpful. Although having done it so many times I see the same algorithm being used to bury the information as deep as they can.

Exploiting someone’s illness or death is not what I’m doing. I’m questioning the validity of the all cause mortality rate reports. Which show a clear raise whenever the mNRA vaccine has been rolled out.

I’m sorry if what I’m doing is upsetting you in anyway but I will continue to do it. You don’t have to read it!

[KerrAvon]

You aren't upsetting me at all, Frog. My motivation for getting involved in this thread was concern at the manner in which you and others get drawn into conspiracy theories (and yes, that does sound patronising, I know).

I wasn't suggesting that you were exploiting illness, but the people who Tweeted the images were and you were happy to share the Tweet when, on your own admission, you can't say that what it showed was vaccine related. That's how conspiracy theories spread and grow.

I don't think you found evidence of bias. You found evidence of a properly declared source of funding. Can you say that for the material that you have been reading and propagating.

And the point of properly published science is that it is peer reviewed - checked for accuracy and validity before publication by independent scientists. Can you say the same for the Tweets that you have linked to?

[frogmiller]

I'm not being provocative when I ask this, but I accept that you may not see it that way.

You refer to the deaths of hundreds of players. How many exactly? Can you name them?

How many games have been stopped for supporter's emergencies? What are the figures pre and post vaccination program?

I was at the Southampton game where a supporter fell down a flight of steps and injured his head, which was an awful thing to happen. He could have been in drink, he might have been old and a bit unsteady on his feet, he could have tripped on a shoe lace or he might just have been unlucky and tripped.

Sadly, Matt and his Twitter chums would prefer that he was vaccinated and was suffering a reaction to the same, irrespective of whether there was even a hint of evidence to support that.

I repeat, Twitter is not your friend.

I too was at Southampton for that match and it was Victor that help bring the incident to the attention of the officials.

In the video he states that he contacted the footballing authorities and raised concerns. Did you bother listening to the video or did you see the title and make your own mind up? To think that he’d have liked the guy that stumbled to be included in his stats is a bit low Kerr!

Do an internet search of ‘fan heart attack at football game’.

There have been others before and one of the losses was one of our fans at Accrington Stanley.