O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[WanChaiMiller]

It could have been much easier, we started negotiating from the weakest point. We have May and Starma discussing policies what a joke they both want it sabotaging.

What I hate is people trying to repackage, rebrand and resell democracy to us.

Agree with you gm. Made a complete hash of it.

[animallittle3]

Decent critique of the EU animal BUT what do we replace it with. What happens when we come out?What do you want to happen? Which party will deliver what you want? Can it be delivered? I have to say that I have no faith whatsoever that this govt will have a clue what to do next if we do come out. Do you believe that everything will be hunky dory when we come out? Would it just be a case of jumping out of the frying pan into the fire?

I don't expect it will be an easy ride and in my lifetime I suspect we will bear the brunt of it but I'm hopeful the generations to come will flourish as a consequence of brexit .

I have absolutely no idea which flavour of government will pick up the pieces the better both the two major parties are unelectable at the moment and only major surgery will repair the damage , it remains to be seen how long that takes .

Having to stick a cross at the side of Farage's party to uphold a referendum result tells you where I am .

Those complicit in globalisation and neoliberalism needed a kick in the b@llax and I'm hopeful they will get whats coming .

Capitalism doesn't have socialism as it's main enemy but capitalism itself .

Capitalism prospered because it delivered hope and gained confidence but now that confidence is no more when people hold down jobs and rely on foodbanks to feed their families or can't buy a home and are at the mercy of rogue landlords .

It needs a shake up and a reboot with the distribution of wealth at the heart of it .

Under the EU this country's become the most unequal in europe , so much for their brand of human rights .

For the last three years I've had to endure sad sack wimpy fecking remainers from Lands End to John O'Groats trying to overturn this process along with leading tories using it to feather their own PM aspirations and an opposition who would sell every leaver down the river for the keys to number 10 whilst attempting at the same time to negotiate with the Brussels Mafia , no kin wonder we haven't left yet .

Who the hell was I suppose to vote for today given my earlier post and the one above ?

[WanChaiMiller]

Customs clearance works both ways
It puts me in mind of the old dentist joke as the patient is approached by the dentist he grabs the dentist by the balls & says " now we're not going to hurt each other are we"?

We have no option under wto terms.

Or are you suggesting we trade internationally without customs checks on goods going in or out?

[WanChaiMiller]

There will be some protection for companies producing cars in the UK, farmers producing meat and the UK ceramics industry. The government has attempted to balance the benefits of free trade in getting cheaper products for consumers, with protecting the livelihoods of some UK producers.

Presumably these industries will need protection against the damage Brexit will cause.

[Exiletyke]

Presumably these industries will need protection against the damage Brexit will cause.

You said in an earlier post [ I'll not confuse you with complicated post numbers] that you import
What sort of goods do you import?
Do you add value to these imports or just sell them on?

[great_fire]

When people voted to stay in the EEC in 1975 they thought they were voting to be part of a trading block not to be part of a Federal Superstate with it's own currency and it's own army.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

When people voted to stay in the EEC in 1975 they thought they were voting to be part of a trading block not to be part of a Federal Superstate with it's own currency and it's own army.

Yes the European Economic Community, the clue is in the middle word.

But now the UK is in the EEDG

The Eastern European Dumping Ground

[BigLadonOS]

When people voted to stay in the EEC in 1975 they thought they were voting to be part of a trading block not to be part of a Federal Superstate with it's own currency and it's own army.

Obviously it didn't even come up that the people didn't know what they were voting for on that occasion because it suited them at the time.

[BigLadonOS]

Big lad. I'll ask you this. Where are WTO terms made, by whom, what is the democratic process in making those rules and what input has the UK had in creating those terms?

In which court are trade disputes settled?

OK WanChaiMiller lets go through this.

WTO TERMS ARE MADE BY US WITHIN A SET STRUCTURE AS IT IS ALREADY DONE THAT WAY WITHIN THE EU(the EU set the the tariff that we abide by).

Once we leave the EU the making of tariffs will fall into our hands and we set the tariffs for the UK only. The WTO is only an overseer that those tariffs are not changed, broken or reneged on. If they are reneged on by any party the WTO's courts take over and make a judgement that is legal and binding it is as simple as that.

[BigLadonOS]

Big lad. I'll ask you this. Where are WTO terms made, by whom, what is the democratic process in making those rules and what input has the UK had in creating those terms?

In which court are trade disputes settled?

OK WanChaiMiller lets go through this.

WTO TERMS ARE MADE BY US WITHIN A SET STRUCTURE AS IT IS ALREADY DONE THAT WAY WITHIN THE EU(the EU set the the tariff that we abide by).

Once we leave the EU the making of tariffs will fall into our hands and we set the tariffs for the UK only. The WTO is only an overseer that those tariffs are not changed, broken or reneged on. If they are reneged on by any party the WTO's courts take over and make a judgement that is legal and binding it is as simple as that.

For example. The EU has set the tariff to 40% for meat products outside the EU and 20% for countries inside the EU. So if we wanted to trade meat products with say Japan, this would mean that we would have to trade through the EU at the 40% tariff because they are outside the EU and we could not trade direct with Japan because EU law says we cannot do that. However onnce we are out of the EU we could set our own tariffs for meat products and we could trade direct with Japan. The tariff we set could be between 0% and 40% as set out in WTO terms.

I hope that helps you understand