The Corona Virus

[Norder]

The wife's got a strop on Norder. She wants to book a cruise on the Rhine, but vaccinations are mandatory. The rest is history.

which cruise line - BT ?.....from what I gather, a negative test will suffice....but be careful what you eat and drink before it - Pepsi max being just one of the many things that'd give you a false positive.





London Protest - Yesterday.

[army88]

which cruise line - BT ?.....from what I gather, a negative test will suffice....but be careful what you eat and drink before it - Pepsi max being just one of the many things that'd give you a false positive.





London Protest - Yesterday.

What utter rubbish that is , nobody robbed them of anything,

Ooh masks don’t work lockdowns don’t work freedom of speech gone etc ,

Well you don’t have to look very far for evidence that it’s the opposite , India or Brazil refusing to lock down to control things while they burn 4000 people a day as they die in the streets ( same in Brazil won’t try to control it so it goes on ).

And we’ve got a load of sad arses protesting in London at the government—— said before admitted some stuff hasn’t been handled brilliantly but come on get a grip.

Like I said many times before if they d had it and been really poorly or lost friends and loved ones they wouldn’t be out protesting they’d be thankful to survive.

We are crackers in this country statistics a few banging the drum about how we’re robbed of everything when actually we haven’t

Maybe some of the protestors will catch it as they shout and carry on about what **** lives they have
I’m willing to bet opinions may change when they carry it home to kill folk.

Just a thought

[Norder]

Ooh masks don’t work lockdowns don’t work freedom of speech gone etc ,

Well you don’t have to look very far for evidence that it’s the opposite , India or Brazil refusing to lock down to control things while they burn 4000 people a day as they die in the streets ( same in Brazil won’t try to control it so it goes on ).

And we’ve got a load of sad arses protesting in London at the government—— said before admitted some stuff hasn’t been handled brilliantly but come on get a grip.

Like I said many times before if they d had it and been really poorly or lost friends and loved ones they wouldn’t be out protesting they’d be thankful to survive.
We are crackers in this country statistics a few banging the drum about how we’re robbed of everything when actually we haven’t

Maybe some of the protestors will catch it as they shout and carry on about what **** lives they have
I’m willing to bet opinions may change when they carry it home to kill folk.

Just a thought

Interesting read - Army.

but I wouldn't worry about them catching a bug....don't forget, as Whitty, for the overwhelming majority of healthy folk... it'd be nothing more than a common cold....but anyhow, thats just fancy built on a conjecture.

As for India, I think the current 7 day average is around the 1500-2000 mark, but as you can see from the figures below, that for them, is something of an unfortunate unnoticeable (but not the western mind)....whats also interesting, is the fact that this "spike" began after the "Vaccine" rollout, which is currently at about 150 million doses, this in a country of 1.4 billion people and growing....just imagine that, what are we, 70 million.
India is immense, I know, i've travelled it, experienced it...spent the best part of a year there, I think, if you had, you'd realise that locking down that amount of folk for the like time as we here, would cuase unimaginable death and destruction, it'd make this convid seem like a cuddly toys tea party.....that because - India survives on a sort of perfect chaos, it a super-oiled machine, but...these machines, are people, all hands pumping and bound together...it's not tesco trucks and supermarkets, its oxen and carts overloaded with veg, a few rupees for chapati and some spiced salad, crushed sugarcane or oranges from a fresh juice stall etc....then there's this social distancing ?...i'd love to see that in a city street, walking on the pavement ?... the street is the pavement, cars, people, richshaws, mororbikes... all moving as one.....Imagine it, and...there's the heat, right now, it's sweltering hot....so to confine people who spend most of their days outside, to small rooms with a roof fan - would be pure madness, they'd be dropping like flies, and that, would fill the hospitals....many of which...have now closed their gates, and if folk can get in for some ongoing treatment, or regular illness , they're now charging insane money that folk can't afford...but if people can't get the money from work, then how could they...as for the many, it's about simple immediate need, as unlike elsewhere in the world, they dont get enough dosh to hoard it....Words are easy, as is modelling, but it isn't that straightforward, and treating it so, is the greater danger by far.

Cheers.



https://www.medindia.net/patients/ca.../pop_clock.asp

[Quicknick]

Thumbs up for all the London demonstrators. And, of course, the Clarets yesterday.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Thumbs up for all the London demonstrators. And, of course, the Clarets yesterday.

Two mysteries solved in one afternoon Nick. Complete eradication of a "deadly" virus within a month and Burnley totally playing better than Barcelona!

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I am interested about reading credible news reports of a "spike" in London, as a direct result of this protest.

Please note "credible".

[army88]

I am interested about reading credible news reports of a "spike" in London, as a direct result of this protest.

Please note "credible".

Exactly BT and it’s the same in reversal isn’t it , half the crap that gets posted is exactly that, we all have an opinion and were entitled to it .

You can mock re a spike , but and as I’ve posted before a single death from anyone of the selfish people on your petty March would be one two many when it could be prevented .

Your so caught up in media crap , you forget to have sense and compassion for others, personally I think those people on the March are narrow minded selfish people , but hey ho it’s only human life.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Bloody hell army you are stretching this one mate. It was not my "petty march", I'm quite happy that the Covid death toll is fast approaching zero and by mid June we should almost be back to "normal."

I watched in amazement a TV Zoom call over the weekend with two middle class health professional chicks berating each other's "statistics".

All I know is the infection rate is tumbling and hats off to Boris for bringing it under control.

[Balanbam00]

The “Great Reset” of Capitalism, by the capitalists

https://prout.info/blog/2021/01/23/t...e-capitalists/

Last June, Klaus Schwab (founder and head of the WEF) presented the topic for this year’s Forum: “The Great Reset”, which takes place from January 25 to 29, with several topics: “How to save the planet”; “Fair Economies”; “Tech for Good”; “Society and Future Work”; “Better Business”; “Healthy Futures” and “Beyond Geopolitics”.

There is a contradiction in “green capitalism”, because the main objective of capitalism is the accumulation of goods and capital. This accumulation will always be environmentally destructive, however green it may be, because in the long run nature has limits. We may even be more efficient at using natural resources, but we will continue to destroy the planet. It will take more time, but we will get there.

Another aspect of this year’s Forum is the defence of cooperation among the stakeholders of the economy. They seek to manage the consequences of this pandemic through a redesigning of the socio-economic capitalistic system. That’s right, multimillionaires argue that the current structure should be modified because beyond environmental destruction, systemic economic inequality threatens to collapse the entire structure. In this sense, the WEF is rethinking the concept of stakeholder capitalism and trying to apply it in the post-pandemic world, instead of the current model of shareholder capitalism.

What is the difference between the two concepts? The current model based on shareholder capitalism gives primacy to a single objective – that of channelling as much money as possible for the owners of the company (the “shareholders”). The proponents of stakeholder capitalism advocate that in addition to the owners, the company should take into consideration the workers, suppliers and customers, because otherwise the corporations will always increase the economic inequality within society, in this eagerness to maximize the accumulation destined to the shareholders.

There are a number of reactions to these proposals. Some say that they are only cosmetic, and that in a few years everything will return to the same state of affairs, while at the same time, creating some clever messages evidencing how much has been accomplished. Observers to the right say that it is a way to introduce socialist and left-wing ideas, dangerous to capitalism. Fans (or fanatics) of individual freedom above all, feel uncomfortable too, because a number of restrictions to their freedom will be imposed by institutions that, they say, want to control our global society (not to mention conspiracy theories about the “Great Reset”, which are populating the Web, like modern mythological stories, where rationality and factual proof are absent). From Prout’s point of view, the capitalist system will not be able to guarantee an equitable distribution of wealth in society, nor adequate environmental protection, because in the absence of economic democracy we can never have scrutiny and transparency of the decisions that impact all the actors in the system, nor will there be an effective decentralized economic power (as many will continue to have no voice), to achieve solutions that meet the needs of all human beings and beyond.

For it is one thing to have a formal democracy on paper, another is a real, lived, felt economic democracy. The WEF’s Great Reset is an attempt to reform the capitalist system. On one hand green capitalism promises to improve the environment, in a process of transition that claims to make the world more ecological, and stakeholder capitalism that promises to reduce economic inequality. But in truth, we have a group of people who currently hold economic power, with the capacity to take big economic decisions and/or influence public policies, deciding to have a little less income/wealth, to avoid a total collapse while still retaining all the power. Before the implosion of the communist system in the USSR, there was also an attempt at reform, the Perestroika from the then-president, Gorbatchev. After a few years, the Soviet system literally collapsed, with the fall of the Berlin wall. What will happen to the current capitalist system? We’ll see…

[sinkov]

They were at it again yesterday in the Covid Briefing, this time it was the good Professor Van-Tam. He is very convincing, he keeps a straight face, but I wouldn't trust the bugger as far as I could throw him, here's why.

It appears he'd been given the job of backing up Boris's weird claim that it was the lockdown wot done it, not the vaccines. He showed a graph that illustrated the vaccine uptake, and it showed very few people had been vaxxed when the virus peaked on January 24th, so it must have been the lockdown and not the vaccines that sent the virus into reverse. He didn't give any evidence to back up his claim that the virus peaked on January 24th, but I assumed he was talking about when the death rate peaked, and that was easy enough to check using the GOV.UK stats.

The number of cases peaked on 29th December, the numbers going into hospital on 12th January, and deaths peaked on 19th January, so it was the death rate he was referring to, although he seems to have arbitrarily added another five days on, but never mind, Jan 24th will do.

Cause and effect, that's why we have to adhere to the Road Map out of lockdown, we have to wait a month to see the effect any easing of restrictions have on the most important measure, the death rate, that's the length of time it takes for the effect of any action taken to show in the death rate. Fair enough, but it obviously also works in reverse, if the death rate peaks and starts to fall, the cause of the decline must have occurred around a month earlier. If the virus peaked somewhere around the 19th-24th January, as the good Professor Van Tam and the GOV.UK stats show, then whatever caused it to go into decline from 19th-24th Jan, must have occurred around the 19th-24th December. The Lockdown didn't start until the 5th of January.

They continue to lie to us, their own stats prove that they're lying, but they don't care, they continue to lie, and the media, and it seems, the majority of the public continue to suck it up.