Every day the vaccine rolls out

[VanDerHoorn]

You've completely misunderstood why I think they are acting in a brain dead manner. Their solution is to do exactly as the government: trying to force their views on others. This specifically is what I'm on about.

So not brain dead then- there was thought and reasoning behind it. Whether you agree with their reasoning or not is another matter.

[TerryTheTerror]

So not brain dead then- there was thought and reasoning behind it. Whether you agree with their reasoning or not is another matter.

I was disagreeing with their actions which I think are stupid. That's allowed yeah? 🤔

[VanDerHoorn]

To be fair, the other side of the argument seem to be in the minority whos theories seem to be easily debunked at every turn!

How it is presented to the public is a huge part of the problem, and the media reporting in all its forms is the worst ive seen.

The extreme side of the argument is easily debunked (microchips in vaccines, vaccine changes your DNA etc). Same is true about the extreme side of the establishment argument (vaccines are better than natural immunity, the vaccine is 100% safe).

The truth is somewhere in the middle I
Suppose.

Totally agree the media hype is a disgrace and is only driving polarisation.

[tHeArAb]

So not brain dead then- there was thought and reasoning behind it. Whether you agree with their reasoning or not is another matter.

Storming a Test & Trace centre thinking its a vaccination site. Pretty brain dead if you ask me.

"Protesters were filmed walking towards the NHS test-and-trace centre while a man on a loudspeaker claims that it is where the “vaccine rollout” is taking place as activists walk by a sign that reads 'Testing'."

[Arabdownsouth]

Storming a Test & Trace centre thinking its a vaccination site. Pretty brain dead if you ask me.

****in bellends

[VanDerHoorn]

The Arsenal manager who is possibly more cautious than your average person in the street is isolating for the 2nd time so i'm not sure that natural immunity is the broadest and longest lasting vaccination of all.

Natural immunity produces an antibody and T cell response against different parts of the whole virus.

Vaccination produces a large spike of antibodies but minimal T cell response against one part of the virus (the spike protein).

Variants evolve to get around the spike protein antibodies (hence lower vaccine-induced immunity against variants). This does not apply to natural immunity since there are antibodies made against all parts of the virus.

Antibody levels drop over a period of months but T cell responses (induced by the virus but not the vaccine) can last years or even a lifetime - so after recovering from covid you don’t need boosters ad infinitum.

[GUNBOAT]

Natural immunity produces an antibody and T cell response against different parts of the whole virus.

Vaccination produces a large spike of antibodies but minimal T cell response against one part of the virus (the spike protein).

Variants evolve to get around the spike protein antibodies (hence lower vaccine-induced immunity against variants). This does not apply to natural immunity since there are antibodies made against all parts of the virus.

Antibody levels drop over a period of months but T cell responses (induced by the virus but not the vaccine) can last years or even a lifetime - so after recovering from covid you don’t need boosters ad infinitum.

Very informative Freddy,i have always said that virus is a clever barsteward.

[arab777]

Natural immunity produces an antibody and T cell response against different parts of the whole virus.

Vaccination produces a large spike of antibodies but minimal T cell response against one part of the virus (the spike protein).

Variants evolve to get around the spike protein antibodies (hence lower vaccine-induced immunity against variants). This does not apply to natural immunity since there are antibodies made against all parts of the virus.

Antibody levels drop over a period of months but T cell responses (induced by the virus but not the vaccine) can last years or even a lifetime - so after recovering from covid you don’t need boosters ad infinitum.

Omicron largely evades immunity from past infection or two vaccine doses
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2326...ity-from-past/

New study adds more evidence for omicron immune evasion
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1223151542.htm



The good news about Omicron is it is knocking out the more dangerous strain Delta. If the hospitalisation and death needle doesn't move substantially then we are moving in the right direction. Vaccinations kept Delta hospital numbers down. it should do the same with Omicron even with high case numbers. Unfortunately in other parts of the world, ie sub-Saharan Africa, vaccinations are low. If this is to be ended once and for all the whole world needs to be part of the vaccination programme as we can see how quickly the virus can spread from one part of the world to another.

[TerryTheTerror]

Hospitalisations are going up (810 up from 679 the day before) but intensive care admission is not (down in fact, 36 to 34 overnight).

[BackRowArab]

Hospitalisations are going up (810 up from 679 the day before) but intensive care admission is not (down in fact, 36 to 34 overnight).

ICU goes up a couple of weeks after the hospital cases (which in turn goes up a couple of weeks after the cases start going up)