O/T The meaningful vote.

[animallittle3]

In 2016 Barnier is on record as saying " I will have succeeded in my task if the deal is so hard on the British that they would prefer staying in the European Union"

Here is a collection of Juncker quotes that are on the record .

I'll leave it at that and let people make their own minds up about how the top table of the EU really think about democracy and their ultimate end game .


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...uotations.html

[upthecolliers]

I take it you would take no-deal brexit than a referendum if it came down to these 2 remaining options Animal.

I don't beleive a word the Daly Telegraph spouts like wise the Daly Mail.

[animallittle3]

I take it you would take no-deal brexit than a referendum if it came down to these 2 remaining options Animal.

I don't beleive a word the Daly Telegraph spouts like wise the Daly Mail.

Colliers those are Junckers words the telegraph are simply reporting on them .

Unfortunately Mr C that's out of my hands given 432 MP's had a deal which enabled us to leave the EU and honour the referendum result and they declined to do so .

However what ever tactic is getting played out here I'm prepared to put my big boys trousers on and face whatever rather than be forced to accept staying in .

[KerrAvon]

Well stop telling porkies then

Is that you giving up on your daft conspiracy theory?

[lk311]

Is that you giving up on your daft conspiracy theory?

KERR, unlike a lot on here I actually enjoy your posts because you offer a different view point to others to consider, but I do think your being a touch naughty with this as you are clearly intelligent and educated enough to realise that the moment the vote was taken to leave the Tories would have sat down and strategised.
That strategy would have taken into account all possibilities and end results to ensure achieving what was wanted(or nearest outcome).

Now having said that you have to admit that despite people’s opinion, May and her cohorts are intelligent people and it is hard to believe that they could make such a hash of the current process.

Apologies for any spelling mistakes, this was written over a bowl of porridge ��

[KerrAvon]

KERR, unlike a lot on here I actually enjoy your posts because you offer a different view point to others to consider, but I do think your being a touch naughty with this as you are clearly intelligent and educated enough to realise that the moment the vote was taken to leave the Tories would have sat down and strategised.
That strategy would have taken into account all possibilities and end results to ensure achieving what was wanted(or nearest outcome).

Now having said that you have to admit that despite people’s opinion, May and her cohorts are intelligent people and it is hard to believe that they could make such a hash of the current process.

Apologies for any spelling mistakes, this was written over a bowl of porridge ��

No, I don’t think the Tories would have sat down and strategised. They are as divided as Labour when it comes to Europe, which is unsurprising given that the country is divided, as demonstrated by the 48:52% split in the referendum. Leavers have a number of different versions of what Brexit should look like and the Tories, within whom a majority favour Leave, split into a number of different factions as did the Cabinet, until May got them together at Chequers and took control of the process.

As we saw last week, many Tories do not support May’s version of Leaving and Labour simply want a General Election and will do anything to try to they get there, regardless of collateral damage to the country.

As for making a hash of the process, I’d say that May probably did the best that she could, given the divisions within her party, Parliament and the country.

I don't believe in goblins, elves or Tory Grandees.

Can’t say that I spotted any spelling mistakes, but, then again, I’m not petty enough to look. Do you make your porridge with rolled oats or do you use one of the ‘instant’ products? I love the real stuff, but is hard to make the time to prepare it

[lk311]

No, I don’t think the Tories would have sat down and strategised. They are as divided as Labour when it comes to Europe, which is unsurprising given that the country is divided, as demonstrated by the 48:52% split in the referendum. Leavers have a number of different versions of what Brexit should look like and the Tories, within whom a majority favour Leave, split into a number of different factions as did the Cabinet, until May got them together at Chequers and took control of the process.

As we saw last week, many Tories do not support May’s version of Leaving and Labour simply want a General Election and will do anything to try to they get there, regardless of collateral damage to the country.

As for making a hash of the process, I’d say that May probably did the best that she could, given the divisions within her party, Parliament and the country.

I don't believe in goblins, elves or Tory Grandees.

Can’t say that I spotted any spelling mistakes, but, then again, I’m not petty enough to look. Do you make your porridge with rolled oats or do you use one of the ‘instant’ products? I love the real stuff, but is hard to make the time to prepare it

Given every businessman in the world who wants to make changes strategises how to get there, bit hard to believe they didn’t.
That’s not to say they deliberatly set out to fail at the outset but would have been an option.
It’s also very hard to believe they didn’t know there agreement with EU would fail Parliament given all the turmoil going on over the subject.
If you’re correct then we are really in trouble because it really highlights out inept the people running our country are.

I agree on the point May has an impossible job and don’t envy her for a moment.

[Exiletyke]

KERR, unlike a lot on here I actually enjoy your posts because you offer a different view point to others to consider, but I do think your being a touch naughty with this as you are clearly intelligent and educated enough to realise that the moment the vote was taken to leave the Tories would have sat down and strategised.
That strategy would have taken into account all possibilities and end results to ensure achieving what was wanted(or nearest outcome).

Now having said that you have to admit that despite people’s opinion, May and her cohorts are intelligent people and it is hard to believe that they could make such a hash of the current process.

Apologies for any spelling mistakes, this was written over a bowl of porridge ��

Interesting revelations
There's a strategy for you
Not quite "thought he could win " but same conceited intention

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/01/2...e-he-believed/

[KerrAvon]

Interesting revelations
There's a strategy for you
Not quite "thought he could win " but same conceited intention

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/01/2...e-he-believed/

Lol. How can a belief that he would fail to achieve an overall majority amount to a 'conceited intention'?

That's even dafter than your 'Tory Grandee' nonsense.

[lk311]

Interesting revelations
There's a strategy for you
Not quite "thought he could win " but same conceited intention

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/01/2...e-he-believed/

Could have just done what Labour did and ignore the promise...