O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[ramAnag]

Curious that noone has mentioned being a member of the armed forces as being a job paying under 80k and carrying a danger of death or injury. I suppose that's because they are "paid to be killed" as opposed to having death as an occupational side-risk.

Or possibly because they enter an occupation fully aware of what the ultimate dangers are, and because those dangers don’t, on the whole, come from within our own society.

[swaledale]

Curious that noone has mentioned being a member of the armed forces as being a job paying under 80k and carrying a danger of death or injury. I suppose that's because they are "paid to be killed" as opposed to having death as an occupational side-risk.

I wasn't being comprehensive in my examples, plus as has been said employment in the armed forces tends to be on the basis you may be asked to be in situations where another person is deliberately trying to maim or kill you!

And yes TTR prison officers are woefully underpaid and at considerable risk to life and limb

[Geoff Parkstone]

tell that to all those who died in Ulster

[ramAnag]

tell that to all those who died in Ulster

Indeed...which is why I wrote, ‘on the whole’...and, without being disrespectful, I’d imagine that those who opted to join the army had a much clearer idea of the dangers they were likely to face in NI than did ambulance operatives and the other groups mentioned amongst the mean streets of the UK mainland.

[Trickytreesreds]

tell that to all those who died in Ulster

Ulster? I can think of places a lot closer to home, starting with Lee Rigby and Hyde/Regents parks

[Geoff Parkstone]

Unless cryogenics improve that is, Andy - in which case Walt Disney with a huge net worth and probably income levels back in the day might be $1 million a year and then undead..........

[ramAnag]

P.S. Apologies to Steven Timms...he was seriously attacked with a knife and not just ‘threatened’.

[Trickytreesreds]

At the point of Tory bashing peaks over COVID. New Zealand was mentioned on here a few times as a wonderful example of how to manage a health crisis.
Well it seems scary to me, how since then. A Prime minister has used the event to impose a regime straight out of Chinas rule book.
Look at the delight in her face, when agreeing that she has in fact created a new apartheid system. Wow, just wow.
Makes Johnson look passive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdMS...nzherald.co.nz

[ramAnag]

At the point of Tory bashing peaks over COVID. New Zealand was mentioned on here a few times as a wonderful example of how to manage a health crisis.
Well it seems scary to me, how since then. A Prime minister has used the event to impose a regime straight out of Chinas rule book.
Look at the delight in her face, when agreeing that she has in fact created a new apartheid system. Wow, just wow.
Makes Johnson look passive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdMS...nzherald.co.nz

I’m honestly not sure what your objection is. All party political points apart I’d say it looks like an example of decisive leadership rather than the dithering we have seen in this country.
For example...last week I went to two indoor events. The first involved temperature checks and the production of vaccine certificates for all as conditions of entry, but no rules about mask wearing. The second involved no checks at all but people being asked to wear masks throughout the performance which I, along with the vast majority, complied with.
Tbh I’m uncertain as to which I felt most comfortable with but I’d be happy to see everyone have to follow Government instruction over such matters as long as it is based on the science.
If people won’t get vaccinated that’s up to them...but please don’t expect to share the same enclosed air as those of us who have... seems fair enough to me.

[Trickytreesreds]

I’m honestly not sure what your objection is. All party political points apart I’d say it looks like an example of decisive leadership rather than the dithering we have seen in this country.
For example...last week I went to two indoor events. The first involved temperature checks and the production of vaccine certificates for all as conditions of entry, but no rules about mask wearing. The second involved no checks at all but people being asked to wear masks throughout the performance which I, along with the vast majority, complied with.
Tbh I’m uncertain as to which I felt most comfortable with but I’d be happy to see everyone have to follow Government instruction over such matters as long as it is based on the science.
If people won’t get vaccinated that’s up to them...but please don’t expect to share the same enclosed air as those of us who have... seems fair enough to me.

Not sure you even listened to it RA.
My point was, a government has effectively stripped a percentage of a population of its rights. Its been done before. Apartheid.
The day you remove a citizens rights to choose and punish them, then you probably think the Chinese system is ok for you.
Instructions/ advice are one thing, but to generate a class of outcasts is quite frankly, disturbing.
So how far does our control and decisiveness go?

One minute New Zealand is doing a great job and a shining light of decision, the next the Stasi, have seized control. Are you happy with that level of decisiveness?