O/T Let me apologise for them first.......

[Ellis_D]

Is this a Trump tweet?

No, but it is a factual statement.

[great_fire]

So which right-wing nationalist organisation do you belong to? English Heritage? National Trust? Or, god forbid, Duke of Edinburgh Award?

Nationalist Movement Party of Turkey.

[kempo]

They don't follow it quite to the letter round here, the Koran says that arrogant and boastful will also burn in hell.

Oh dear!

Better get my asbestos suit ready!

[mygiddypant]

No, but it is a factual statement.

As defined by D Trump?

[mygiddypant]

No, but it is a factual statement.

That a minority of Muslim extremists adopt this strict interpretation of part of their belief systems doesn't make it a "fact". A minority of English people believe in God, but that doesn't make it a fact.

[Ellis_D]

That a minority of Muslim extremists adopt this strict interpretation of part of their belief systems doesn't make it a "fact". A minority of English people believe in God, but that doesn't make it a fact.

No, this is because you don't know enough about the subject you are talking about. You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean the opinion isn't incorrect.

Just because the majority of Muslims choose not to follow the Qur'an word for word, just because the majority of them choose not to kill infidels, etc, does not mean that they are right. Following the Qur'an to the word is not up to the individual, a choice, or down to interpretation.

The Qur'an is said to descend from Allah, word for word, through Muhammad. This is accepted throughout the entirety of the Islamic world. This means every Muslim is supposed to follow Allah’s verses exactly in order to be a good Muslim and to be considered a representative of the real ideology and religion of Islam.

No changes are allowed to Allah’s rules and words because Allah, as Muslims say, is perfect and his knowledge is absolute. As a result, his words cannot be relative and every word he utters or reveals should apply in any time of human history.

Muhammad himself repeatedly said that two things a Muslim should follow are the Qur'an (words of Allah) and the Hadith (Muhammad’s teachings).

Considering this information and based on these standards, a true Muslim, who represent the real Islam, should be the one who follows and obeys Allah’s words (from the Qur'an) completely. As a result, anyone who ignores some of the rules is not, and cannot be, considered a reflection of Islam, a good Muslim, or even a Muslim. Accordingly, Allah’s words and rules are not a basket of vegetable to choose from, meaning that one cannot obey some orders and disregard others.

If you would like to read some, the link below explains why Muslims (everyone, actually) need to believe in Allah, why they are obligated to obey his every word, and the penalty for not doing so - death.

The Qur'an is not up for interpretation. It is not the Bible.

http://sunnahonline.com/library/beli...his-sunnah-the

[millmoormagic]

Ellis d puts a message across that he's a know all about the qu'ran, i'll just say this, that in every religion (just to clarify, all religion is sheite) you get christian groups proclaiming all kinds of rubbish on behalf of their god, you even get buddhist groups doing the same. In every religion you get extreme versions of the 'rules', generally followed by extreme people, and people like Ellis d obviously focus on that extremism to further their own political, bigotted views. The fact is that there's a tiny minority of the muslim community that share those views, and in reality the only thing that can put a stop to it is the muslim community itself. Further casting a whole group as the bad people can, and will, only increase this crap. The rubbish coming from people like Ellis d, great fire et al can only serve to increase division, and you know what, the extremist's in the muslim community love you ellis d, you only ever make their 'campaign' easier.

It's a simple thing, don't get dragged into the hatred people like him promote. I know i'll get the abuse back for having the temerity to challenge these people, but it's all about doing the right thing. I'm proud of being British, and having British values, something Ellis d and his like minded cronies can only ever be jealous of.

[sawmiller]

No, this is because you don't know enough about the subject you are talking about. You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean the opinion isn't incorrect.

Just because the majority of Muslims choose not to follow the Qur'an word for word, just because the majority of them choose not to kill infidels, etc, does not mean that they are right. Following the Qur'an to the word is not up to the individual, a choice, or down to interpretation.

The Qur'an is said to descend from Allah, word for word, through Muhammad. This is accepted throughout the entirety of the Islamic world. This means every Muslim is supposed to follow Allah’s verses exactly in order to be a good Muslim and to be considered a representative of the real ideology and religion of Islam.

No changes are allowed to Allah’s rules and words because Allah, as Muslims say, is perfect and his knowledge is absolute. As a result, his words cannot be relative and every word he utters or reveals should apply in any time of human history.

Muhammad himself repeatedly said that two things a Muslim should follow are the Qur'an (words of Allah) and the Hadith (Muhammad’s teachings).

Considering this information and based on these standards, a true Muslim, who represent the real Islam, should be the one who follows and obeys Allah’s words (from the Qur'an) completely. As a result, anyone who ignores some of the rules is not, and cannot be, considered a reflection of Islam, a good Muslim, or even a Muslim. Accordingly, Allah’s words and rules are not a basket of vegetable to choose from, meaning that one cannot obey some orders and disregard others.

If you would like to read some, the link below explains why Muslims (everyone, actually) need to believe in Allah, why they are obligated to obey his every word, and the penalty for not doing so - death.

The Qur'an is not up for interpretation. It is not the Bible.

http://sunnahonline.com/library/beli...his-sunnah-the

Interesting line from your link (thanks for that):


The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said:

"Those who go to extremes in speech will be destroyed."

Muslim via Ibn Mas'ud

[John2]

LOL, Ellis is an Islamic extremist.

All religion is a crock of sh*te and every religion is open to different interpretations.

Every religious person cherry picks parts of a religion and decides that their interpretation is correct and everyone else has it wrong.

Ellis has basically got into bed with the extremists interpretatation and is evangelising the only 'true interpretation' is the one he believes is correct. Laughable.

There are passages that say peaceful things, there are passages that say less peaceful things. Thinking you have the 'correct' interpretation from a book full of subjectivity and contradictions, as all religious texts are, is ridiculous.

[great_fire]

LOL, Ellis is an Islamic extremist.

All religion is a crock of sh*te and every religion is open to different interpretations.

Every religious person cherry picks parts of a religion and decides that their interpretation is correct and everyone else has it wrong.

Ellis has basically got into bed with the extremists interpretatation and is evangelising the only 'true interpretation' is the one he believes is correct. Laughable.

There are passages that say peaceful things, there are passages that say less peaceful things. Thinking you have the 'correct' interpretation from a book full of subjectivity and contradictions, as all religious texts are, is ridiculous.

Which are the peaceful passages and do they also apply to non-Muslims?