Touchy Subject I Know But,

[pete1967b]

Our U23 Is full of foreign kids because our British ones are useless after years of mismanagement. Is there any point in getting be at 6/7-0 every week just so we can put British kids out on the pitch who will never kick a ball for the first team?

Mentioned this before but the fact we are buying foreign kids is positive because it means at least the few English lads we have that are decent are developing with our decent players and not being held back by sub standard footballers. The true sign of this regime will be in 4/5 years time when the current u11/u13/u15 squads are coming through because they're the ones that will have developed under this system.

Football is a different make up to what it was 10-15 years ago, think people still believe it is the same as when we were last in the premiership!

And when did you watch ALL the age groups to say the British ones are useless Joel?, This is just your view not a fact, Our foreign youngsters arent setting the world alight are they..

[Jezleeds]

And when did you watch ALL the age groups to say the British ones are useless Joel?, This is just your view not a fact, Our foreign youngsters arent setting the world alight are they..

I think (not 100% sure as i don't know enough about it) that the loss of Redfern and his wife was pretty crucial in the (apparent) decline of the academy's conveyor belt. I'm happy to be put right, but the timing seems to suggest it?

[MrsORichSenior]

I will start this anyway,

It may have been discussed before sorry if it has but just looking at our U23s tother night, 6 players starting the game foreign ?, Is this our future, Now i have nothing against them before anyone says that god knows we have aplenty in our 1st team but moving forward i am not so sure if i am happy with this, We could be a Chelski amongst many more in years to come, Is this was our fans want?, Or is it just success regardless that we all want?,

Me personally it seems the way forward in this day and age but i dont particularly like it, We are always going to get a mixture but we want our boys coming through the Academy to make the grade surely, Ok there might be the odd one or two but their chances are at present greatly limited..

Ok Pete - Leeds Utd Transfer Policy 2017/18 important considerations ...........

This'll NOT help after today's debacle I know but later I'm about to collect my piss*d off husband from Tours airport so bear with me and digest the following........

Our transfer policy of late has caused debate - but with an understanding of basic Employment Law & Sports Law with Brexit thrown in - matters become clearer.

Theresa May said on July 31 2017 that it was “wrong” to suggest free movement of people will “continue as it is now” after March 2019.

After this date, EU workers moving to the UK will have to register until a permanent post-Brexit immigration policy is put in place.

If EU players are no longer afforded free movement to work in the UK, it is reasonable to expect that the work permit regulations would be adjusted to reflect this development. However it's interesting to note the potential future restrictions on recruitment of players by reference to the current work permit system. It is difficult to speculate as to how exactly the FA would alter the regulations, but there are a few areas that seem nearly certain - areas the Rad has identified within his plans covering many eventualities please note.

Post Brexit, theoretically the Football Association have the ability to discriminate according to nationality as this stipulation now falls under EU law. Therefore, a quota system limiting the number of European nationals within a team could be brought in for English clubs.

Many clubs including Leeds have circumnavigated possible problems by developing relationships with clubs in more lenient EU countries where they can 'park' players until they fulfill the work permit criteria.

In order to understand the football work permit regulations in England, it is necessary to first understand the conflicts between the FA and the Premier League on this issue. The main concerns of the FA is England’s success at the international level, and therefore, it has a vested interest in ensuring that young English players have the opportunity to develop and thrive in the PL and the FL's.

The percentage of English players in the Premier League has dwindled from 79 per cent during the 1992/93 season to 33 per cent at the start of the present season.The FA has stated that it wants to see the percentage rise to 45 per cent by 2022. (All set in print by the FA).

Any player who is over 16 years old and is not from the European Economic Area, which covers 32 countries aside from the UK, requires a work permit to play for a British club as of now.

(Commonwealth citizens with at least one grandparent who was born in the UK do not need to apply through the points based system. Such players will still require a work permit but will go through a different process).

When a club signs a player who requires a work permit, they agree to sponsor the player to be in the UK, meaning they will provide the funds for his time in the country. A certificate of sponsorship is then produced by the club, which is then submitted to the FA for them to consider an endorsement.(In order to receive a work permit, a non-EU footballer must secure a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) from the FA).

In order to automatically qualify for a GBE, a non-EU footballer must have participated in a minimum percentage of senior competitive international matches for his national team in the two years preceding the date of his application (for players aged twenty-one or younger, the reference period is reduced to one year). The required percentages are determined by that country’s FIFA world ranking.

Complicated for sure,boring to many but hence the Rads trawling of young foreign players,buying of young UK players and securing the transfer of ready made UK players & ready made endorsed EU players within an age limit remit now - planning for now,the future too in anticipation of possible UK Brexit employment Law changes.Not easy for anyone in any business but easy for criticism for sure regarding Leeds Utd now without full understanding of facts - but working within Europe business I'm translating for various parties over various matters and its complicated and frustrating as everyone wants ROI (Return On Investment) bottom line but also has an eye on UK economics and laws to be implemented to consider before financial commitment.

Interesting Radrizzani declared only a five year plan one would say but for finance men NOT surprising.

MOT

[WTF11]

Ok Pete - Leeds Utd Transfer Policy 2017/18 important considerations ...........

This'll NOT help after today's debacle I know but later I'm about to collect my piss*d off husband from Tours airport so bear with me and digest the following........

Our transfer policy of late has caused debate - but with an understanding of basic Employment Law & Sports Law with Brexit thrown in - matters become clearer.

Theresa May said on July 31 2017 that it was “wrong” to suggest free movement of people will “continue as it is now” after March 2019.

After this date, EU workers moving to the UK will have to register until a permanent post-Brexit immigration policy is put in place.

If EU players are no longer afforded free movement to work in the UK, it is reasonable to expect that the work permit regulations would be adjusted to reflect this development. However it's interesting to note the potential future restrictions on recruitment of players by reference to the current work permit system. It is difficult to speculate as to how exactly the FA would alter the regulations, but there are a few areas that seem nearly certain - areas the Rad has identified within his plans covering many eventualities please note.

Post Brexit, theoretically the Football Association have the ability to discriminate according to nationality as this stipulation now falls under EU law. Therefore, a quota system limiting the number of European nationals within a team could be brought in for English clubs.

Many clubs including Leeds have circumnavigated possible problems by developing relationships with clubs in more lenient EU countries where they can 'park' players until they fulfill the work permit criteria.

In order to understand the football work permit regulations in England, it is necessary to first understand the conflicts between the FA and the Premier League on this issue. The main concerns of the FA is England’s success at the international level, and therefore, it has a vested interest in ensuring that young English players have the opportunity to develop and thrive in the PL and the FL's.

The percentage of English players in the Premier League has dwindled from 79 per cent during the 1992/93 season to 33 per cent at the start of the present season.The FA has stated that it wants to see the percentage rise to 45 per cent by 2022. (All set in print by the FA).

Any player who is over 16 years old and is not from the European Economic Area, which covers 32 countries aside from the UK, requires a work permit to play for a British club as of now.

(Commonwealth citizens with at least one grandparent who was born in the UK do not need to apply through the points based system. Such players will still require a work permit but will go through a different process).

When a club signs a player who requires a work permit, they agree to sponsor the player to be in the UK, meaning they will provide the funds for his time in the country. A certificate of sponsorship is then produced by the club, which is then submitted to the FA for them to consider an endorsement.(In order to receive a work permit, a non-EU footballer must secure a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) from the FA).

In order to automatically qualify for a GBE, a non-EU footballer must have participated in a minimum percentage of senior competitive international matches for his national team in the two years preceding the date of his application (for players aged twenty-one or younger, the reference period is reduced to one year). The required percentages are determined by that country’s FIFA world ranking.

Complicated for sure,boring to many but hence the Rads trawling of young foreign players,buying of young UK players and securing the transfer of ready made UK players & ready made endorsed EU players within an age limit remit now - planning for now,the future too in anticipation of possible UK Brexit employment Law changes.Not easy for anyone in any business but easy for criticism for sure regarding Leeds Utd now without full understanding of facts - but working within Europe business I'm translating for various parties over various matters and its complicated and frustrating as everyone wants ROI (Return On Investment) bottom line but also has an eye on UK economics and laws to be implemented to consider before financial commitment.

Interesting Radrizzani declared only a five year plan one would say but for finance men NOT surprising.

MOT

Leeds United transfer policy 2017/18........"Buy lots of stuff cheap and hope some if it is worth what you paid"

Leeds United business strategy 2017/18........"Buy lots of stuff cheap and hope some of it is worth what you paid".

What 5 year plan? Did it include a "top 6 finish" in 2017/18 season?

He might be some wonderful media magnate but his appointments to senior positions have been appalling and laced with nepotism and conflict of interest. Perhaps he would stand more chance of success in the Championship if he employed ANYONE who had even a smattering of success in the business of running such an enterprise (Certainly not the motley crew he has surrounded himself with). At least Cellino had an excuse for his appointments, they were largely his family! Radrizzani has no such excuse, just naivety in Championship matters.

[joellufcprice]

And when did you watch ALL the age groups to say the British ones are useless Joel?, This is just your view not a fact, Our foreign youngsters arent setting the world alight are they..

I've seen plenty of our U21/23 in the last few years thanks to the gift of LUTV, the lack of them coming through to the first team and those that did being utterly garbage should tell you all you need to know.

You've given these foreign youngsters, what 6 months? Or those that have arrived recently 3 weeks to adjust and set the world alight? Hardly fair is it.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

I will start this anyway,

It may have been discussed before sorry if it has but just looking at our U23s tother night, 6 players starting the game foreign ?, Is this our future, Now i have nothing against them before anyone says that god knows we have aplenty in our 1st team but moving forward i am not so sure if i am happy with this, We could be a Chelski amongst many more in years to come, Is this was our fans want?, Or is it just success regardless that we all want?,

Me personally it seems the way forward in this day and age but i dont particularly like it, We are always going to get a mixture but we want our boys coming through the Academy to make the grade surely, Ok there might be the odd one or two but their chances are at present greatly limited..

For or a moment there given the title of the thread I thought you were about to opine on the Harvey Weinstein fallout!