It is those that invent,produce & sell AK rifles & chemical agents that are responsible and who are therefore enemies of decency & civilisation.
Sadly - and I’m no defender of Putin - the above comments from MA are about the most sensible I’ve heard.
At best we could be going to look very silly over all this and Mrs. May seems to be building a reputation for impetuousity. Jumped into the role of post referendum PM despite being an avowed ‘Remainer’. Couldn’t contradict herself quickly enough when the opportunity for possibly the most ill advised election of all time was called last year and now she places us at odds with Russia despite an almost complete lack of genuine evidence.
All in all all she seems to repeatedly display a disturbing lack of both judgement and leadership in her ongoing quest for personal credibility.
Last edited by ramAnag; 14-03-2018 at 04:56 PM.
It is those that invent,produce & sell AK rifles & chemical agents that are responsible and who are therefore enemies of decency & civilisation.
Usual government postering they won't actually do anything Far to many Russian oligarchs in London that don't need upsetting Plus push Putin to hard and off goes the gas tap
Sorry how does everyone know its Russia. The only facts so far are that the nerve agent was of soviet union origin even those people who are supposedly experts in this sort of thing are saying that its unlikley the Russian state as the guy would be of no interest to them and liquidating an ex spy who had been exchanged would be counter productive.
Given how governments of either labour or conservative seemed to be easily persuaded by dodgy dossiers and falsehoods to wage war in iraq and try and wage war in Libya, I'd say that Corbyn's stance, in saying lets not jump to conclusions, lets work with international law and establish the facts was the more sensible and statesman like, but hey ho its seems people have very short memories and happy to accept assumptions. Not IMO a very sensible move at all.
...although very popular/'populist', in my travels round Europe, Russians and the Russian state are reviled by almost everyone who cares to offer an opinion - they even manage to rack off the beautiful Greeks. UK won't come out of this the winner, but sometimes making a stand is more important than the outcome
But, as Swale has correctly pointed out, it’s always a good idea to have some evidence of what or who you are actually ‘making a stand’ against or...bit like Brexit...in support of.
For me those little matters of detail, evidence and informed opinion are quite crucial before offering support to any ‘theory’.
Mmmmmmmmmmm, how much do you trust Putin?
Airliner downed in the Ukraine. "It isn't us scream the Russians"
Pictures appear on facebook of rebels showing off their new Russian high tech AAM battery
Russia releases a photoshopped picture of a Ukrainian military jet shooting down the airliner.
"IT WASN'T US THEY SCREAM" as a satellite picture of said, AAM shown crawling back over the border.
Russian athletes caught cheating by doping. "It isn't true scream the Russians" , Blaming Russianophobia.
It's then found the Federal Security Services has instructed doping tests to be altered and no co operation with the Olympic committee.
Alexander Litvinenko was a former officer of the Russian Federal Security Service (FS and KGB, who fled from court prosecution in Russia and received political asylum in the United Kingdom.
On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalized. He died three weeks later, becoming the first confirmed victim of lethal polonium-210-induced acute radiation syndrome. Litvinenko's allegations about the misdeeds of the FSB and his public deathbed accusations that Russian president Vladimir Putin was behind his unusual malady resulted in worldwide media coverage.
Subsequent investigations by British authorities into the circumstances of Litvinenko's death led to serious diplomatic difficulties between the British and Russian governments. During the 2014–2015 trial the Scotland Yard representative witnessed that "the evidence suggests that the only credible explanation is in one way or another the Russian state is involved in Litvinenko's murder". Another witness stated that Dmitry Kovtun had been speaking openly about the plan to kill Litvinenko that was intended to "set an example" as a punishment for a "traitor". The main suspect in the case, a former officer of the Russian Federal Protective Service (FSO), Andrey Lugovoy, remains in Russia.
Of course the butler could have done it, in the library
Sometimes you just have to go with gut feel RA. Using a very local and very recent analogy, and without being remotely racist, when there are 'travellers' in the area offering to do tree work at discounted rates, and my way down Gypsy (sic) Lane is blocked by a lorryload of fly-tipped conifer cuttings, I didn't see who it was but I know who it was
AF I know what you mean about fly tipping in Gypsy Lane I go down there everyday a disgusting nightmare and yes we all know who it is
Trouble is with providing evidence in these matters, you will be also showing how you have gained the evidence. Better to leave them thinking ' how the hell do they know for sure, Where's our leak?'