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Thread: Sinkov: News of Nuclear Iran

  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    There is incontrovertible evidence that Iran did have a nuclear weapons programme, but they continue to lie and deny that they ever did. If they are prepared to persist in such a blatant and obvious lie, then why should they be believed about anything else ? Obama was easily fooled, Trump won't be.
    I can't believe you typed that Sinkov!

    They agreed in 2015 to curtail their nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of sanctions.

    I repeat what the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency)have said, "There is no credible indications of activities in Iran relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device after 2009".
    Now, this body is responsible for monitoring what is actually going on - and, unlike you, I trust their word more than Trump or Netanyahu on this matter.

    You are being played Sinkov, and you have fallen for it.

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    59/60, why do you mention after 2009 ? I stated that Iran 'did have' a nuclear weapons programme, I never said it was after 2009, it seems likely that they suspended it around 2003.

    As you have such trust in the IEAE you may be interested in this from Wiki,

    "In the 2000s, the revelation of Iran's clandestine uranium enrichment program raised concerns that it might be intended for non-peaceful uses. The IAEA launched an investigation in 2003 after an Iranian dissident group revealed undeclared nuclear activities carried out by Iran.[5][6] In 2006, because of Iran's noncompliance with its NPT obligations, the United Nations Security Council demanded that Iran suspend its enrichment programs. In 2007, the United States National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) stated that Iran halted an alleged active nuclear weapons program in fall 2003.[7] In November 2011, the IAEA reported credible evidence that Iran had been conducting experiments aimed at designing a nuclear bomb until 2003, and that research may have continued on a smaller scale after that time"

    Just in case you've missed it I'll reproduce the relevant section,

    "the IAEA reported credible evidence that Iran had been conducting experiments aimed at designing a nuclear bomb until 2003,"

    So the IAEA confirm what I posted, that Iran did have a nuclear weapons programme. You really should get your facts right, otherwise people might start wondering just who it is being played here.

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    Evening sinkov.

    It is not in dispute that Iran had nuclear aspirations in the past.

    But an agreement was reached in 2015 that, in return for ditching their nuclear ambitions that trade sanctions would be lifted.

    And according to the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency)have said, "There is no credible indications of activities in Iran relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device after 2009".

    Of the countries that signed the agreement, and the IAEA, only the USA are now making an issue of it. Well, Trump and his mates anyway.

    The theatrical presentation given by Mr Netanyahu was fake news. At best it was information that was old and already known about. Nothing to see here.

    However, it gives your mate Trump the reason he needs to screw up the deal and possibly plunge the Middle East into even more chaos.

    Brilliant timing, eh?

    United Kingdom, Russia, France, and China—plus Germany and the European Union all signed the deal and are happy with it. USA also signed it but Trump is throwing a wobbly against the advise of many wise counsels.

    You really do lap up everything he says Sinkov.

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    While PM Netanyahu failed to provide a ‘smoking gun’ proving that Iran kept pursuing a nuclear bomb after signing the nuclear deal in 2015, he did prove that the agreement was based on a lie. When a country located more than 1,000 kilometers away is capable of stealing Iran’s most secret archive, Iran can’t feel safe.
    While Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech Monday failed to prove that Iran is violating the nuclear agreement that it signed with the world powers in 2015, it did prove that Iran had lied to begin with, both concerning the existence of its nuclear program and concerning its components and its activity to produce nuclear warheads to install them on missiles.

    In other words, Iran failed to meet the conditions which served as the foundation for the negotiations that led to the agreement.

    When Iran claimed it wasn’t building a nuclear weapon and missile warheads, but only enriching uranium and producing plutonium (fissile material), it concealed a fundamental fact from the international community and from the world powers, which turned the agreement into a misrepresentation: At that time, it was already in advanced stages of producing nuclear warheads.

    This achievement, which has been verified by the Americans, is a deterring strategic factor in the conflict with Iran. When another country, located more than 1,000 kilometers away, is capable of stealing its most secret archive, Iran has to feel vulnerable.

    This fact has a negative impact on the regime’s prestige and the intimidating image of the Revolutionary Guards, which are in charge of the nuclear program, as well as of the archive. If the Revolutionary Guards are incapable of protecting the nuclear archive, which includes explosive diplomatic and legal material, they are apparently not as intimidating as they thought. That’s something Iran’s citizens learned on Monday, and it indirectly threatens the regime’s survival.
    Netanyahu delivered the speech in English as its main goal was to “help” US President Donald Trump make a decision to withdraw from the nuclear agreement, and primarily to embarrass the Europeans for letting the Iranians deceive them when they signed the agreement in 2015.

    The conclusions from the prime minister’s revelation on Monday are that the five permanent Security Council members and Germany must now demand that Iran sign another agreement limiting its missile program and allowing tighter supervision within the country. If the Iranians agree, the US won’t have to withdraw from the agreement. If the Iranians refuse, the Europeans will have to join the sanctions that the US imposes on Iran and a demand for tighter immediate supervision within military camps in Iran.

    The Iranians will likely refuse, and the US will have no other choice but to walk away from the agreement. This will be followed by secret negotiations on amendments. Considering the Iranians’ difficult economic situation and the fact that the sanctions could lead to the regime’s collapse, after the loud and provocative declarations they will quietly look for a compromise, and the Europeans will serve as mediators as usual.

    The Iranians sold the world powers a lie, and the powers fell for it.

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    Why are Iran skint? I thought they had zillions of barrels of oil to sell?

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    The Protests in Iran Are a Sign of an Economy in Trouble

    Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani may have to step back from some of his core economic policies in the face of nationwide protests by tens of thousands of people frustrated by high unemployment and stagnant living standards. The protests, during which at least 10 people have been killed, are fuelled by disappointment that the lifting of sanctions on Iran in January 2016 has failed to deliver an economic boom.

    Instead, the non-oil part of the economy has continued to struggle, with unemployment officially put at around 12.5 percent – in reality, much higher for Iran’s millions of young people – and inflation running at nearly 10 percent. “There is a crisis of expectations in Iran,” said Tamer Badawi, a research fellow at the Istanbul-based Al-Sharq Forum. “It is a deep sense of economic frustration.”

    To ease that discontent, Rouhani may need to spend more government money on creating jobs, restrain inflation by supporting the rial exchange rate and do more to eradicate the widespread corruption which angers the protesters. But all of those actions would involve policy change. Rouhani has been pursuing a conservative budget policy to bring Iran’s volatile state finances under control, part of his effort to create an attractive environment for foreign investors. Meanwhile, fighting corruption would risk a backlash from powerful interests hurt by a crackdown.

    Mehrdad Emadi, an Iranian economist who is head of energy risk analysis at the Betamatrix consultancy in London, said Rouhani faced a “Herculean challenge” fighting corruption in particular. But he suggested Rouhani might have no choice. Emadi said a study to which he contributed found Iranians were dissatisfied with the economy for five main reasons: unemployment, weak purchasing power, corruption, a weak rial, and unequal distribution of wealth among Iran’s regions. In some areas of southeast Iran, unemployment among young people has reached 45 percent and the job market is shrinking, he added. The rial has sunk to 42,900 against the U.S. dollar from 36,000 a year ago.

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