Proper debate time. Are our recruitment team good, bad or hopeless?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I totally support our Board of Directors and Sean Dyche but they do need to learn from past mistakes. It's the Jay Rod saga that has really stuck in my throat, we wanted him, the lad wanted to come home, so why fart around for the sake of a few million quid? Lansbury, Stephens, etc. etc - we just do not seem to learn?

If the recruitment team headed up by Dyche specify Rodriguez which they clearly must have done, who is to blame for not stumping up the Baggies asking price? That must come down to Garlick and Baldwin surely? I'll bet Dyche was seething?

[oldcolner]

The baggies have history though BT and Jay was on £75k it’s said the wages were halving but we’re they? He did seem to want to move here and thus might have accepted the drop. It it was the £2m fee gap the broke the deal then like you I think we made a big mistake.
We don’t talk about our discussions so we won’t know the real reason.
Should we have gone for Danny? Biting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind. That would be the sifters who blocked that one if he was even considered.

Who on earth would have thought we would ever sign Joe Hart for £4m. Surely they get credit for that.

[sinkov]

I totally support our Board of Directors and Sean Dyche but they do need to learn from past mistakes. It's the Jay Rod saga that has really stuck in my throat, we wanted him, the lad wanted to come home, so why fart around for the sake of a few million quid? Lansbury, Stephens, etc. etc - we just do not seem to learn?

If the recruitment team headed up by Dyche specify Rodriguez which they clearly must have done, who is to blame for not stumping up the Baggies asking price? That must come down to Garlick and Baldwin surely? I'll bet Dyche was seething?

The thing with Jay BT is that our bid was laughably low, there was no chance of WBA accepting it. Watford paid £18m for Gray, we paid £15m for Wood, Boro paid £15m for Assombolonga, there is absolutely no need to be checking TM's ludicrous guesses at player values, a player is worth what he'll go for in real life, and there are three real life valuations to go off, and there are plenty more. Given the real life examples above, if we expected to get Jay for less than £20m, and it seems we did, then our negotiating team doesn't live in the real world, and is simply not fit for purpose.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The baggies have history though BT and Jay was on £75k it’s said the wages were halving but we’re they? He did seem to want to move here and thus might have accepted the drop. It it was the £2m fee gap the broke the deal then like you I think we made a big mistake.
We don’t talk about our discussions so we won’t know the real reason.
Should we have gone for Danny? Biting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind. That would be the sifters who blocked that one if he was even considered.

Who on earth would have thought we would ever sign Joe Hart for £4m. Surely they get credit for that.

As this thread rumbles on I am knocking together a list of all of the players that SD has bought during his tenure.

Overall you would have to say on the evidence of the inbounds and the money we paid, we are on the seriously good side.

I distinctly recall SD said we would beat our club record in the last window, which I assumed would be to buy Jay Rod. We did neither, which is a tad disturbing.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The thing with Jay BT is that our bid was laughably low, there was no chance of WBA accepting it. Watford paid £18m for Gray, we paid £15m for Wood, Boro paid £15m for Assombolonga, there is absolutely no need to be checking TM's ludicrous guesses at player values, a player is worth what he'll go for in real life, and there are three real life valuations to go off, and there are plenty more. Given the real life examples above, if we expected to get Jay for less than £20m, and it seems we did, then our negotiating team doesn't live in the real world, and is simply not fit for purpose.

I think just about everybody on this forum would have met the Baggies valuation of Jay Rod and almost none of us would pay the Baggies valuation on Dawson. Perhaps BFC should let us decide who is worth what and just stump up when asked to do so?

[Supersub6]

We can all surmise about the various dealings, however, none of us really know the ins and outs of getting any transfer over the line. It is like every other job in that, everyone who does not do the job and has never been asked to do the job can always do it better than those who are actually doing it.
If I knew all the facts in all these cases I would express my honest view, however, I don't know even one hundredth of what has happened in these deals, apart from reading what the media guess at, and that is what they do, therefore, I honestly don't know whether the recruitment team are good, bad or indifferent.
If they worked for me I definitely would know the ins and outs.

[oldcolner]

The thing with Jay BT is that our bid was laughably low, there was no chance of WBA accepting it. Watford paid £18m for Gray, we paid £15m for Wood, Boro paid £15m for Assombolonga, there is absolutely no need to be checking TM's ludicrous guesses at player values, a player is worth what he'll go for in real life, and there are three real life valuations to go off, and there are plenty more. Given the real life examples above, if we expected to get Jay for less than £20m, and it seems we did, then our negotiating team doesn't live in the real world, and is simply not fit for purpose.

We bid £25m for two so assuming that was £15m for Jay and £10m for Dawson, I don’t think they are ludicrously low at all, just a reasonable starter assuming they wanted rid.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

We can all surmise about the various dealings, however, none of us really know the ins and outs of getting any transfer over the line. It is like every other job in that, everyone who does not do the job and has never been asked to do the job can always do it better than those who are actually doing it.
If I knew all the facts in all these cases I would express my honest view, however, I don't know even one hundredth of what has happened in these deals, apart from reading what the media guess at, and that is what they do, therefore, I honestly don't know whether the recruitment team are good, bad or indifferent.
If they worked for me I definitely would know the ins and outs.

I've a pretty good idea Supersub6 on how it works in general. I try my damndest not to criticize Burnley Football Club, but with prima facia evidence to back up my theory, I think we need to wise up a tad.

[Supersub6]

I've a pretty good idea Supersub6 on how it works in general. I try my damndest not to criticize Burnley Football Club, but with prima facia evidence to back up my theory, I think we need to wise up a tad.

That may well be the case BT, however, I have given it my honest appraisal from the evidence which I have ---virtually nothing other than hearsay. I would be a great juror ---shame I am too old!

[Norder]

At best we are treading water.

But why?

Why Indeed


I think - they've got to go out of their way to seem so Incompetent.
It's about commitment, and if the desire to realize it isn't there - then no matter how much they try....whatever the method.... they won't acheive the professed result.

for Garlick and co.