Players out of contract

[ghostrider]

Ashley wont buy ready made talent, he wont invest in facilities or acadamies to develop our own.

Ready made talent? What exactly is ready made talent that we supposedly don't buy? Surely you don't mean the Pogba's of this world.

What he is doing is relying on short term loans and being lucky with under priced talent that comes our way and then comes good which in turn is sold on at a profit when the first bid comes in.

Relying on short term loans?

We've loaned out players more than equal to anything we brought in, so there's no reliance on short term loans.
Rondon is the only one we are reliant on because we couldn't buy and had to do a deal with Gayle as opposite loan.
Kenedy is certainly not relied on and has contributed very little this season, yet last season many were clamouring for the club to buy him.

As far as being lucky with underpriced talent. Really?
I remember at first people were arguing that we brought in wasters, kind of thing and yet the very same players that were deemed pointless are the very same players that are touted as being a player of the season with some.
Is it luck or is there something behind the scenes that's spotting the potential of players, enough to save paying extortionate prices for lesser players?

Our players aren't world beaters but neither are the players who we come up against outside of the top 6 and even many in the top 6 are debatable..
Ki, Schar, Fernandez, Dubravka we got for pittances in general footballing financial terms but they've all performed enough to put them into a bracket of much much higher in fees of which we would likely have argued against but yet would demand the higher bracket as of now.

This profit does not get reinvested in facilities, the squad, debt or acadamies. Its a cycle.

It does get reinvested, it just doesn't get reinvested into the state of the art copycat facilities of some of the clubs who've went mental on basically mollycoddling pop star like players or treating bang average players to the trappings and fathering/mothering the future prima donnas in many instances.
If players we bring in end up going out for much more than we paid and we end up with little to no net spend then the money must have been reinvested. It just hasn't in the pound notes that people vision as being required to somehow move ahead.

Ashley's strategy going forward is in essence to gamble on purchases and rely on the goodwill of other clubs for scraps off their table.

Every purchase is a gamble but having a contingency plan to give you a helping hand back up if all goes pear shaped, is a good thing.
As for reliance on the good will of other clubs. How so?
Because it's swings and roundabouts as far as I see in terms of good will and the same goes for just about (if not all) every other club.
Ashley's not perfect in any way shape or form but he's certainly not as bad as being made out in my opinion, but each to their own.

Not very sustainable, is it?

Extremely sustainable.
I'll tell you what isn't sustainable.
Buying players for massive fees and paying stupid wages to end up with a bunch of mercenaries who refuse to shift when it all goes teets up.
Sunderland are a prime example of that and their massive transfer fees weren't on any par with the elite clubs, but their wages were too close for comfort.
Don't think for one minute it won't happen to us if we go silly...even with Rafa.

The cnt does get a lot of shiit shops as a consequence though.

The man's a multi billionaire on the back of the so called sheet shops and people use them, because if they didn't, he wouldn't be successful.

I see a lot of heart and graft in this squad and I do see emerging talent. I concentrate on that and I bemoan lack of entertainment at times, but that's football.
What I don't need to do is to worry about the owner, because I think the club is in good hands and have done since day one, regardless of us not getting what we think we deserve.

[HughieG]

You think two relegations suggests the club has been in good hands since day one?

We have all the right conditions to succeed, and yes, that's partly because the one thing that Ashley has done well is to make us financially stable (at a great cost with great gambles of course, the two relegations being a part of that). We have a great manager, a decent squad, loads and loads of fans coming to see us, and we do have money.

What we need now is the owner to step up. To invest more in the squad. To renew the contract with our beloved manager, and offer him a decent budget. This is what we need to thrive. That and some investment in the maintenance of the ground and training facilities. I seriously believe that if Ashley agrees to do this, a lot of the pain he's caused in the past will be forgotten.

With his current approach to running the club, we are going nowhere (but the Fizzy eventually).

[ghostrider]

You think two relegations suggests the club has been in good hands since day one?

We have all the right conditions to succeed, and yes, that's partly because the one thing that Ashley has done well is to make us financially stable (at a great cost with great gambles of course, the two relegations being a part of that). We have a great manager, a decent squad, loads and loads of fans coming to see us, and we do have money.

What we need now is the owner to step up. To invest more in the squad. To renew the contract with our beloved manager, and offer him a decent budget. This is what we need to thrive. That and some investment in the maintenance of the ground and training facilities. I seriously believe that if Ashley agrees to do this, a lot of the pain he's caused in the past will be forgotten.

With his current approach to running the club, we are going nowhere (but the Fizzy eventually).

How many clubs have all the right conditions to succeed and what exactly is termed as succeeding in this footballing climate?
Do Wolves have everything needed to succeed and should they move on from this point?
What about Everton?

The list could be endless of teams/clubs having the potential to succeed or supposedly set up to succeed....but what are we up against?

Of course Ashley could loosen the purse strings a bit more but we still have to be ultra careful as I said earlier.
And as for Ashley sorting the ground out and such. I believe he will anyway. However, if that apparently, supposedly goes a long way into fans forgetting the past then it's pitiful in my eyes because they would be best served concentrating on the now not on the past.

I see people claiming they will not ever go back because of the owner and have not gone back since he took over. 11 years of their team watching destroyed and 11 years less of their life.
In essence it's as if people just decide to discard the club they love for the sake of someone behind the scenes.
Seems ultra nose biting to spite the face but it really is each to their own.

We could have a hell of a lot worse....seriously...by a long stretch.

[Sclox]

Ready made talent? What exactly is ready made talent that we supposedly don't buy? Surely you don't mean the Pogba's of this world.


Relying on short term loans?

We've loaned out players more than equal to anything we brought in, so there's no reliance on short term loans.
Rondon is the only one we are reliant on because we couldn't buy and had to do a deal with Gayle as opposite loan.
Kenedy is certainly not relied on and has contributed very little this season, yet last season many were clamouring for the club to buy him.

As far as being lucky with underpriced talent. Really?
I remember at first people were arguing that we brought in wasters, kind of thing and yet the very same players that were deemed pointless are the very same players that are touted as being a player of the season with some.
Is it luck or is there something behind the scenes that's spotting the potential of players, enough to save paying extortionate prices for lesser players?

Our players aren't world beaters but neither are the players who we come up against outside of the top 6 and even many in the top 6 are debatable..
Ki, Schar, Fernandez, Dubravka we got for pittances in general footballing financial terms but they've all performed enough to put them into a bracket of much much higher in fees of which we would likely have argued against but yet would demand the higher bracket as of now.



It does get reinvested, it just doesn't get reinvested into the state of the art copycat facilities of some of the clubs who've went mental on basically mollycoddling pop star like players or treating bang average players to the trappings and fathering/mothering the future prima donnas in many instances.
If players we bring in end up going out for much more than we paid and we end up with little to no net spend then the money must have been reinvested. It just hasn't in the pound notes that people vision as being required to somehow move ahead.

Every purchase is a gamble but having a contingency plan to give you a helping hand back up if all goes pear shaped, is a good thing.
As for reliance on the good will of other clubs. How so?
Because it's swings and roundabouts as far as I see in terms of good will and the same goes for just about (if not all) every other club.
Ashley's not perfect in any way shape or form but he's certainly not as bad as being made out in my opinion, but each to their own.
Extremely sustainable.
I'll tell you what isn't sustainable.
Buying players for massive fees and paying stupid wages to end up with a bunch of mercenaries who refuse to shift when it all goes teets up.
Sunderland are a prime example of that and their massive transfer fees weren't on any par with the elite clubs, but their wages were too close for comfort.
Don't think for one minute it won't happen to us if we go silly...even with Rafa.



The man's a multi billionaire on the back of the so called sheet shops and people use them, because if they didn't, he wouldn't be successful.

I see a lot of heart and graft in this squad and I do see emerging talent. I concentrate on that and I bemoan lack of entertainment at times, but that's football.
What I don't need to do is to worry about the owner, because I think the club is in good hands and have done since day one, regardless of us not getting what we think we deserve.

It must be terrible being wrong all the time.

I had started replying but would have had to correct so much that I gave up halfway and went for a shiit instead.

Think what you like bin lid.

[Geordie1974]

Yet again a post starts,this time about players out of contract and it turns into an Ashley love in again from his board spokesman.
I am trying to work out who he really is.Is he Richard Keys,Lee Charnley,Alan Pardew,Joe Kinnear,Andy Gray or Rio Ferdinand.They all sing from the same hymn sheet.

[ex_pat_magpie]

Yet again a post starts,this time about players out of contract and it turns into an Ashley love in again from his board spokesman.
I am trying to work out who he really is.Is he Richard Keys,Lee Charnley,Alan Pardew,Joe Kinnear,Andy Gray or Rio Ferdinand.They all sing from the same hymn sheet.

It really depends on how much attention is being sought. It always boils down to that.

[Jammy89]

Yet again a post starts,this time about players out of contract and it turns into an Ashley love in again from his board spokesman.
I am trying to work out who he really is.Is he Richard Keys,Lee Charnley,Alan Pardew,Joe Kinnear,Andy Gray or Rio Ferdinand.They all sing from the same hymn sheet.

Aye - i noticed that he's started doing it again.

[usedtobeshearer]

It's rinse and repeat with WILF...he's building up to another "everybody pay attention to me" breakdown by the looks of it.

Let him be and he gets bored...nothing to see here.