ot greta thunberg

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Interesting that today we have seen sympathy for Thomas Cook employees losing their jobs but when you look at companies like Poundland who have a significant workforce, what if they went bust?

Poundland basically sells Chinese crap, with a big carbon footprint, mostly one use disposable stuff.

If in pursuit of controlling environmental damage such companies were to fold would we be happy to see jobs lost?

Would we moan when we couldn’t get batteries for our devices and stopped using up energy posting meaningless stuff on football message boards?

[rolymiller]

Interesting that today we have seen sympathy for Thomas Cook employees losing their jobs but when you look at companies like Poundland who have a significant workforce, what if they went bust?

Poundland basically sells Chinese crap, with a big carbon footprint, mostly one use disposable stuff.

If in pursuit of controlling environmental damage such companies were to fold would we be happy to see jobs lost?

Would we moan when we couldn’t get batteries for our devices and stopped using up energy posting meaningless stuff on football message boards?

I suspect that we are all going to have to make sacrifices if this is gonna work properly. I fear that the poor will come off the worst though.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

That’s very likely Roly, but the rich die as do the poor when it comes to global catastrophe

As a personal protest I’m going to get on board an environmentally friendly yacht, sail a few miles off the coast, transfer to a support vessel, follow the yacht to within a few miles of the USA, reboard the yacht and sail into the US in a blaze of internet glory announcing my intent to scowl at President Trump.

Sadly if you believe the conspiracy theory somebody beat me to it.

[great_fire]

Who else is highlighting the problem though Grist? It's her and her generation's'future so she has a right to moan about it.

Why don't we get some toddlers to talk about it then?

16 year olds think they know everything but they actually know very little of life, only really what their parents and teachers told them.

[Exiletyke]

I'm no scientist Much but isn't methane a large contributor to global warming and while accepting your arguments about growing more plants don't rotting plants give off more methane emissions?

Whilst not always seeing eye to eye with Mr Kerr, i think he has a valid point about meat production and particularly cattle which contribute a lot to the amount of greenhouse gas we have.

With regard to fossil fuel i believe we need to help developing countries with cleaner technology to help combat emissions.

Don't be taken in so easily roly
Kerrs lectures on meat eating are made not so sincerely bearing in mind his frequent skiing trips & his latest jaunt to somewhere tropical

[KerrAvon]

The science says that the carbon dioxide particles in the air reflect radiated heat from Earth's surface back into the Earth's atmosphere (the greenhouse effect). This simple theory ignores the fact that each molecule of carbon dioxide reflects back into space an equal and opposite amount of radiated heat from the sun - the real source of global warming.

The number of carbon dioxide particles in the air is miniscule compared to the number of atoms of oxygen and nitrogen and molecules of water vapour which make up the vast majority of the content of the atmosphere.

The real 'greenhouse gas' component in the air is water vapour. I remember our geography teacher Fred Kemp describing it as like a blanket when you are in bed. He was talking about water vapour in its natural form of clouds.

Of course, that is how it works at night, but in daytime the clouds reflect back into the atmosphere far more heat from the sun than they reflect back to the Earth's surface. But think about how much water vapour is in the atmosphere compared with carbon dioxide.

Plants need carbon dioxide to grow. Cutting back the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will reduce crop yields at a time when we need to increase yields to feed the growing human population every one of whom exhales a considerable amount of carbon dioxide every year. I can see the answer formulating in some people's minds!

No. Carbon Dioxide molecules do not reflect heat - they absorb it the re-emit it

The sun pumps out visible light, which passes fairly easily through the atmosphere. That light warms the surface of the earth causing it to emit longer wavelength infra-red radiation. Greenhouse gases like Carbon Dioxide are good at absorbing infra-red energy and re-emitting it allowing it to further heat the surface of the earth.

Increasing the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere causes more infra-red to be captured and more heating.

Increasing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere can increase plant growth - many commercial glasshouse farmers raise the level of it artificially. That isn't an argument for not acting on climate change, however. The effect is likely to be massively outweighed by the destruction of crops that will follow from droughts, flooding and other extreme weather conditions induced by having a more energetic atmosphere.

[Scum-Triumphant]

It was quite cringeworthy watching her read the speech and miss the cues for the upset reactions.

[Townerslovechild]

The world needs more Thunbergs and less Trumps (If you pardon the pun).

[frogmiller]

The right message but the wrong person saying it!

If Trump could be drugged or taken off the treatment and hoaxed into saying something simular then things could change.

[flourbasher]

There was a few people with a Thunberg scowl outside the NYS at 4.55pm last Saturday