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    Hey Animal & co, I didnt really know (or maybe I didnt really listen to) what he'd done at Leeds at the time. So I thought the introduction of P Diddy Ridders seemed like a good thing for us, in Sep 2003 I think it was.
    I genuinely thought at the time that he was/is a good man to have at the club, because of his knowledge and connections in the game etc.
    How wrong could I have been eh lads, yes I really did judge that bloke badly wrong!!.

    It became clear to me that he is an extremely expensive asset to have, because he spends the clubs money like there is no tomorrow (allegedly!).

    And so we moved onto the reign of Gordon Shepherd & Patrick Cryne.....!.

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    John Dennis was my favourite owner. Reds thru and thru, still a season ticket holder in the west stand, ez a bacca and a chin wag wi the fans at aif time. He showed more ambition for this club than any owner in my time as a Reds fan (since 1989).

    Not near as rich as the owners that there's been since his reign either. The unfortunate collapse of itv digital was his undoing and the club was close to folding as we know. Probably blotted his copy book with some Reds fans did that. However, thaz got to realise that the positives he brought to this club by far outweigh the negatives. Rebuilt the stadium, Premiership football, built the academy.

    During his reign the town was in economic decline still recovering from the pit closures and high unemployment. He nivver ripped fans off by charging earth to get in. He brought in a high profile management team in Viv Anderson and Danny Wilson to try and create a buzz and interest around the club, crowds were understandably low due to the job situation in Barnsley and we all needed a lift or a turn in fortunes. Unfortunately it didn't quite work until Anderson jumped ship and went to Boro. After that the only way was up under Danny Wilson.

    These current owners work within the clubs budget al give them that but there's absolutely no affinity with the fans or the town there. It's all hidden behind plastic smiles and bullshyte which some fans seem to swallow but other fans can see straight through it.

    The only ambition that they show is to make money rather than be successful on the field within budget (it is possible as John Dennis proved)It's all rather like the game of football itself has got in recent years- cold, calculated and businesslike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pass_and_move View Post
    John Dennis was my favourite owner. Reds thru and thru, still a season ticket holder in the west stand, ez a bacca and a chin wag wi the fans at aif time. He showed more ambition for this club than any owner in my time as a Reds fan (since 1989).

    Not near as rich as the owners that there's been since his reign either. The unfortunate collapse of itv digital was his undoing and the club was close to folding as we know. Probably blotted his copy book with some Reds fans did that. However, thaz got to realise that the positives he brought to this club by far outweigh the negatives. Rebuilt the stadium, Premiership football, built the academy.

    During his reign the town was in economic decline still recovering from the pit closures and high unemployment. He nivver ripped fans off by charging earth to get in. He brought in a high profile management team in Viv Anderson and Danny Wilson to try and create a buzz and interest around the club, crowds were understandably low due to the job situation in Barnsley and we all needed a lift or a turn in fortunes. Unfortunately it didn't quite work until Anderson jumped ship and went to Boro. After that the only way was up under Danny Wilson.

    These current owners work within the clubs budget al give them that but there's absolutely no affinity with the fans or the town there. It's all hidden behind plastic smiles and bullshyte which some fans seem to swallow but other fans can see straight through it.

    The only ambition that they show is to make money rather than be successful on the field within budget (it is possible as John Dennis proved)It's all rather like the game of football itself has got in recent years- cold, calculated and businesslike.
    I agree with most of that apart from they can't make money unless they are successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill46 View Post
    I agree with most of that apart from they can't make money unless they are successful.
    They managed it at OGC Nice whilst the club went into decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill46 View Post
    I agree with most of that apart from they can't make money unless they are successful.
    I think you have inadvertently hit on the answer bill
    It really depends on what your definition of successful is
    Is it successful to have a good team on the park with at least some hope of football progression or a buy cheap & sell for a profit?

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    How long have you been watching the Reds Bill ?
    We've had quite a few in my time watching them , Ernest Dennis and Geoff Buckle , worked hard to keep the club afloat , they also built a base for forthcoming owner's to enhance things further , John Dennis was backed by other local businessmen who had a bob or 2 , I would have thought all or most of them ? Would have had some benefit from running the Club , after all they are Businessmen , Best to leave Mr Doyle and his part alone is my advice ,
    There is a saying Leopards can't change their Spots , as the years have gone by and up to present day ownership , them leopards and their Spots have dramatically got bigger , The Trust , pride , togetherness , plus lack of respect towards the Fans, has split the fanbase ,
    Why do you think this Pacific Media Team are here Bill ?
    In my view all or most of our owners have had faults , some didn't/ dont learn from them ,
    Last edited by Romared; 14-09-2020 at 07:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romared View Post
    How long have you been watching the Reds Bill ?
    We've had quite a few in my time watching them , Ernest Dennis and Geoff Buckle , worked hard to keep the club afloat , they also built a base for forthcoming owner's to enhance things further , John Dennis was backed by other local businessmen who had a bob or 2 , I would have thought all or most of them ? Would have had some benefit from running the Club , after all they are Businessmen , Best to leave Mr Doyle and his part alone is my advice ,
    There is a saying Leopards can't change their Spots , as the years have gone by and up to present day ownership , them leopards and their Spots have dramatically got bigger , The Trust , pride , togetherness , plus lack of respect towards the Fans, has split the fanbase ,
    Why do you think this Pacific Media Team are here Bill ?
    In my view all or most of our owners have had faults , some didn't/ dont learn from them ,
    Hi Roma I hope you're keeping well.I've been watching the Reds for 55 years now and enjoyed every moment good and bad.My question was based more on actual owners and not chairmen and directors.Owners invest into clubs where the previous regimes didn't need to invest at all.
    As for why are the present owners here is a tough question and depends on how they are viewed by people.What I do know is about 75% of English clubs are foreign owned maybe they are more averse to risk than English owners.Whether owners are English or from overseas the only way they can be successful is by making the team successful and that can take a little patience.I agree that all of our owners have made mistakes in the past thats why I was glad to read the current owners admitting there mistakes and hoping to rectify them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill46 View Post
    .What I do know is about 75% of English clubs are foreign owned maybe they are more averse to risk than English owners.
    Run that past me again. Foreign owners more averse to risk than English owners ? If foreign owners strongly dislike risk why buy football clubs in England ?
    Last edited by SBRed48; 14-09-2020 at 11:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBRed48 View Post
    Run that past me again. Foreign owners more averse to risk than English owners ? If foreign owners strongly dislike risk why buy football clubs in England ?
    I said maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBRed48 View Post
    Run that past me again. Foreign owners more averse to risk than English owners ? If foreign owners strongly dislike risk why buy football clubs in England ?
    Could it be that football provides the perfect platform for financial skulduggery especially when clubs' dealings are more often than not cloaked in secrecy.That applied in the past & applies now
    Try looking at the financial affairs of most clubs & see if you can work out by looking at the accounts where all the money goes
    This country is a haven for tax irregularities whoever owns the club, & add to the poor scrutiny of football club's affairs coupled with pyss poor governance by those in charge of the nations No 1 sport

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