Liverpool and Man u want a 18 team premier league.

[soulman101]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ll-League.html

[stripes39]

It's just one big 'stitch up' by the top six and their billionaire owners. What is proposed now is a just short term gain and will not help the smaller clubs in the long term. I've got an idea, why don't the EFL expel the top six and reorganise in a way that will actually help all the rest in the future. With a bit of luck there'll be nowhere for those six to go so they'll have to play each other week in, week out. That would be fun for them!

You're quite right that it's a big stitch up by the big clubs wanting an even bigger chunk. This isn't going away and if it doesn't go through which I doubt it will, it will resurface in another form at another time until they get their way.

For the first time, I'm rapidly losing interest in top flight football for so many reasons;
The sheer greed of the big clubs
The complete disregard for season ticket holders who are treated shoddily with rearranged fixtures.
The power of TV broadcast now means supporters who attend live matches are playing second fiddle to the legions of plastic fans at home and abroad
The fact that the media only seem to think the big 6 or whatever matter and the rest of the league don't
The way Premier clubs have treated staff in this crisis, in many cases long serving staff have been disregarded whilst the players are insulated from any of this.
The knee bending before every game for a very questionable organisation
The antics of Sky offering second rate pundits based on tokenism
Despite there being more money in football than ever before, no long term benefit at the grass roots and non-league levels is greatly in evidence. It just serves to make the agents and players richer without building any long term infrastructure to our national game.

We are basically backing a 3 legged horse as are half of the Premier League. The way the big clubs have been allowed to build a cartel has achieved what it set out to do, keep them where they are and eliminate competition to their status. This is all so far away from the game I fell in love with I'm seriously considering not bothering any more and supporting the lower local teams which in my case is Kiddy Harriers.

[Yarmbaggie]

You're quite right that it's a big stitch up by the big clubs wanting an even bigger chunk. This isn't going away and if it doesn't go through which I doubt it will, it will resurface in another form at another time until they get their way.

For the first time, I'm rapidly losing interest in top flight football for so many reasons;
The sheer greed of the big clubs
The complete disregard for season ticket holders who are treated shoddily with rearranged fixtures.
The power of TV broadcast now means supporters who attend live matches are playing second fiddle to the legions of plastic fans at home and abroad
The fact that the media only seem to think the big 6 or whatever matter and the rest of the league don't
The way Premier clubs have treated staff in this crisis, in many cases long serving staff have been disregarded whilst the players are insulated from any of this.
The knee bending before every game for a very questionable organisation
The antics of Sky offering second rate pundits based on tokenism
Despite there being more money in football than ever before, no long term benefit at the grass roots and non-league levels is greatly in evidence. It just serves to make the agents and players richer without building any long term infrastructure to our national game.

We are basically backing a 3 legged horse as are half of the Premier League. The way the big clubs have been allowed to build a cartel has achieved what it set out to do, keep them where they are and eliminate competition to their status. This is all so far away from the game I fell in love with I'm seriously considering not bothering any more and supporting the lower local teams which in my case is Kiddy Harriers.

With the exception of thinking about supporting a local league team agree with just about all of your sentiments.

The only thing that surprises me is that it has taken so many people so long to wake up to this reality.

People are rightly so quick to criticise multi millionaire self made businessmen or top business executives but still idolise multi millionaire football club owners (except Lai and Ashley), players, agents, and reporters/press hangers on to what was always money based greed of the PL.

Ruined the game since 1992 or whenever the PL was formed in my opinion. It certainly isn’t the game I fell in love with that’s for sure. Thankfully I am old enough to have all the fantastic memories of the really great players and teams we have had in the 1960s and for a decent time after that.

[stripes39]

With the exception of thinking about supporting a local league team agree with just about all of your sentiments.

The only thing that surprises me is that it has taken so many people so long to wake up to this reality.

People are rightly so quick to criticise multi millionaire self made businessmen or top business executives but still idolise multi millionaire football club owners (except Lai and Ashley), players, agents, and reporters/press hangers on to what was always money based greed of the PL.

Ruined the game since 1992 or whenever the PL was formed in my opinion. It certainly isn’t the game I fell in love with that’s for sure. Thankfully I am old enough to have all the fantastic memories of the really great players and teams we have had in the 1960s and for a decent time after that.

I meant to say I won't stop supporting Albion but an increasing amount of money I spend on live football will go to the lower league where its appreciated. Yes, I agree the games being ruined since 92. What made it exciting was that teams could get promoted to the top flight and within a few years even compete in Europe as Ipswich did and we did. Those days are gone now thanks to the top 6 or so tightening their influence on the league to benefit themselves. An emerging well run club like Wolves with money and decent players is exactly what they don't want and the proposed restructuring will make this even more of an impossibility.

I would imagine at some point the big 6 will break away and form a super league for the very reason they've never got enough. Without the huge TV deals wages will have to be more realistic as foreign viewers simply aren't interested in most clubs not in the top clique.

It seems a bit daft doesn't it really where you're in a competition and the best you can hope for is not to come in the last 3 of a 20 man race?

[wbaliquidator]

I’ve become very cynical of the top tier for a few years now, I’m not saying it’s corrupt but I believe its biased in so many ways towards an elite. Its starts from the very top, stakeholders in TV, advertising and promotion as well as Europe and cascades right down including the match officials.
This Champions League idea was in reality a way to stop the big Europeans clubs from breaking way. But that is not enough for them; they need more and more of the cake.
Gradually I lost enthusiasm for the game especially during the Pulis era.
After relegation I really enjoyed the championship and watched Quest. But I never watched any MOTD or England games until our season started.
I would love the top 6 or 8 to P Off.
The rest of the teams are still a very attractive proposition to broadcasters.
Honestly players on £600k a week and agents earning millions who needs it.

[Leicesterbaggie]

It's pretty obvious what Boris thinks of Man. Utd. and Liverpool's proposals. He states, 'It's exactly the type of back room dealing which undermines trust in football governance.' Says it all. Both United and Liverpool should hang their heads in shame. Both clubs are disliked by other teams' fans and this will make them even more disliked, if that's possible!

[WBA123]

I've had a good look at the proposals and there are some good things in there. The 25% of TV Revenue distributed to EFL clubs is one. £20 for away fans is another.

But, and this is a big 'but'...its not coming from a place of sincerity. Its coming from greed. This money won't come out of the pockets of Liverpool or Man United. It will largely come out of the pockets of the 2 teams who are not in the premier league and the lack of parachute payments for teams who are relegated.

Liverpool and Man U won't lose any income, they'll gain from lucrative foreign pre season friendlies and more Champions League games. They've spotted an opportunity to have more power in the game at other clubs expense (likely ourselves) and used the pandemic as an opportunity to gain power, hiding behind the excuse they are concerned about financially vulnerable lower league clubs.

And all of this creates even more of a financial power gap between established premiership clubs and the rest of the football league.

I'm not against top players making big money or big clubs earning record revenue. We are in a supply and demand capitalist world. To some extent I do like the impact money has had on the game, the premier league is brilliant to watch and we have some of the best players in the world here. We export it as a product all over the world.

But this sheer greed at a time when many are struggling is unedifying, and that's what this is. An opportunist power grab.

[WBA123]

It's pretty obvious what Boris thinks of Man. Utd. and Liverpool's proposals. He states, 'It's exactly the type of back room dealing which undermines trust in football governance.' Says it all. Both United and Liverpool should hang their heads in shame. Both clubs are disliked by other teams' fans and this will make them even more disliked, if that's possible!

When Boris talks about undermining trust, then you really know how bad this is.

[DaveP67 is back!]

It's just one big 'stitch up' by the top six and their billionaire owners. What is proposed now is a just short term gain and will not help the smaller clubs in the long term. I've got an idea, why don't the EFL expel the top six and reorganise in a way that will actually help all the rest in the future. With a bit of luck there'll be nowhere for those six to go so they'll have to play each other week in, week out. That would be fun for them!

Fully agree! Along with the £14 a game to watch during the pandemic this shows the premier league for what it is a purely money making out of control organisation so out of touch with supporters across all divisions. I honestly prefer life in the championship, but fear for the future of the club I love if we don’t have premier league money. What a terrible state we are in...

[stripes39]

I've had a good look at the proposals and there are some good things in there. The 25% of TV Revenue distributed to EFL clubs is one. £20 for away fans is another.

But, and this is a big 'but'...its not coming from a place of sincerity. Its coming from greed. This money won't come out of the pockets of Liverpool or Man United. It will largely come out of the pockets of the 2 teams who are not in the premier league and the lack of parachute payments for teams who are relegated.

Liverpool and Man U won't lose any income, they'll gain from lucrative foreign pre season friendlies and more Champions League games. They've spotted an opportunity to have more power in the game at other clubs expense (likely ourselves) and used the pandemic as an opportunity to gain power, hiding behind the excuse they are concerned about financially vulnerable lower league clubs.

And all of this creates even more of a financial power gap between established premiership clubs and the rest of the football league.

I'm not against top players making big money or big clubs earning record revenue. We are in a supply and demand capitalist world. To some extent I do like the impact money has had on the game, the premier league is brilliant to watch and we have some of the best players in the world here. We export it as a product all over the world.

But this sheer greed at a time when many are struggling is unedifying, and that's what this is. An opportunist power grab.

It certainly isn't coming from a place of sincerity. This is so transparent its gob smacking. This whole farce is cooked up to make the top clubs wealthier at everyone else's expense whilst pretending they actually care and are kind benevolent souls whilst they don't give a ****.

Their arrogance is astounding if you read the proposals, it only needs 6 clubs to vote in order to veto a new owner of another premier league club. Talk about Turkey's voting for Xmas! Oh, the irony; Man U & Liverpool are putting proposals in place to guarantee they will not see the rise of another Man Utd or Liverpool. So, I wonder how they would have voted in the case of Newcastle getting fabulously wealthy new owners?

Teams like Wolves and Leicester are obviously making the 'Big 6' nervous so need to be put in their place. If they were allowed to get a toe-hold Spurs might not win the title for yet another 58 years. This is the thin end of a vary large and ongoing wedge I'm afraid.