Why The F*ck Is Boris Having To Self Isolate Again?

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

I am so glad there are like minded people out there.

Great posts Old Throstle and TipperaryBaggie.

Yes some great posts. I too despair of the 'experts' on here who think they have all the answers when they know nothing.

[mickd1961]

Before you get too dismissive of the numbers:

Firstly, it's 0.07%, not 0.0007%

Secondly, virtually all the Covid-related deaths have been of people aged 45 and over, so the 50,000 is out of a population of about 40 million not 65, so about 0.12%

To put this into context: Picture yourself sitting at The Shrine on a normal match day before all this happened. You can see about 25,000 fans packed in there. Statistically, 30 of the people you could see will have already died of the virus, and the number is still rising.

So yes, I've thought about it. From where I'm sitting, as a member of the "extremely vulnerable" category, it looks anything but insignificant.

Just saying.

It’s convenient to change the size of the U.K. population to suit you’re narrative, the fact is that the population stood at 66.65 million as of 2019.

I accept your figure was correct at 0.7%......too many zeros in my bad maths!

You quote that 30 people from an average 25,000 Albion home crowd would’ve died from Covid but I’d contend that most of those would’ve died from something else over the same period.

The median death rate for the last 10 months is up a chunk from last year but it’s nonsense to suggest all 25,000 in the crowd would’ve been immune to death if Covid didn’t exist.

My point was more about the Boris self isolation aspect.

If you think about this logically you could end up in almost permanent isolation.

You do your two weeks and each time you complete it you’re unlucky enough to be in contact with someone who tests positive for it the very next day!

I would’ve thought that by now some trials would’ve been done to see if people who have had Covid like Boris Can then still be a carrier having come into contact with someone testing positive?

To me that’s not rocket science but a legitimate scientific test programme to set up.

It’s not about me or others “knowing better” and the pomposity of others on here who are decrying “armchair doctors”.......I’m not for a minute saying that I do know better.

[Titchfieldbaggie]

This is all too convenient in my opinion. He's isolated so can't be asked about the Cummings fiasco, and we are expecting a big announcement on Brexit very soon. Maybe he hasn't got a fridge big enough to hide in, at No 10?

[mickd1961]

This is all too convenient in my opinion. He's isolated so can't be asked about the Cummings fiasco, and we are expecting a big announcement on Brexit very soon. Maybe he hasn't got a fridge big enough to hide in, at No 10?

The bloke can’t win whatever he does.

People have been moaning about Cummings all year and even Spitting Image ( which is very funny on this one by the way ) has lampooned him and made it seem like Cummings could even eat baby Wilf and not get sacked 😆

I’m looking forward to hearing Sir Kier Hindsight’s vision for the future and how he intends to get us to this great Eutopia?

Can you imagine the media if Boris had been found out to not be self isolating when the rules say he should’ve been?

Maybe a day trip to Barnard Castle with Carrie and the baby is best.

[Titchfieldbaggie]

The bloke can’t win whatever he does.

People have been moaning about Cummings all year and even Spitting Image ( which is very funny on this one by the way ) has lampooned him and made it seem like Cummings could even eat baby Wilf and not get sacked ��

I’m looking forward to hearing Sir Kier Hindsight’s vision for the future and how he intends to get us to this great Eutopia?

Can you imagine the media if Boris had been found out to not be self isolating when the rules say he should’ve been?

Maybe a day trip to Barnard Castle with Carrie and the baby is best.

Personally, I wanted Cummings to stay. He was the only one with any backbone, there. Boris was elected to do one job, because that is all he's capable of. Not his fault, Covid, but if you surround yourself with lightweights to make yourself look good, then this is what you can expect

[Baggiemadguern]

Boris is told to ‘self isolate’ as he has been in contact with someone who has tested positive. Would he not be absolutely taken to task if he did not follow the current guidelines, just because he is England’s Prime Minister. That would simply be out of order.

[baggieal]

It’s convenient to change the size of the U.K. population to suit you’re narrative, the fact is that the population stood at 66.65 million as of 2019.

I accept your figure was correct at 0.7%......too many zeros in my bad maths!

You quote that 30 people from an average 25,000 Albion home crowd would’ve died from Covid but I’d contend that most of those would’ve died from something else over the same period.

The median death rate for the last 10 months is up a chunk from last year but it’s nonsense to suggest all 25,000 in the crowd would’ve been immune to death if Covid didn’t exist.

My point was more about the Boris self isolation aspect.

If you think about this logically you could end up in almost permanent isolation.

You do your two weeks and each time you complete it you’re unlucky enough to be in contact with someone who tests positive for it the very next day!

I would’ve thought that by now some trials would’ve been done to see if people who have had Covid like Boris Can then still be a carrier having come into contact with someone testing positive?

To me that’s not rocket science but a legitimate scientific test programme to set up.

It’s not about me or others “knowing better” and the pomposity of others on here who are decrying “armchair doctors”.......I’m not for a minute saying that I do know better.

Can’t disagree with anything here and I certainly agree with your previous posts - millions should be pumped into the NHS rather than chucking money down the drain.

Personally sick of the economy closing down again as so many businesses will crash at the end of January. What about cancer treatments and operations constantly being stopped due to COVID and mental health issues will go through the roof. What about our younger generation?

The majority of the deaths are those past retirement age so should many of the elderly or those at risk stay at home so the economy can keep moving and our NHS sort many out who really need operations and treatment? If not then these people should take their chances.

PS - I am at risk so being careful and rarely go out. I do fear for the younger generation though and those going through mental depression as their businesses are failing due to no fault of their own!

[SwedishBaggie]

Self taught expert mathematicians too maybe? 😎

50 000 (dead) and 67 000 000 (inhabitants), that’s 0,00074627, 0,75 per mille.

At us, 6 000 dead, 10 000 000 inhabitants, ca 0,0006, 0,6 per mille.

And, don’t forget the important prepositions, WITH and (directly) OF. Our NHS and Public Health of Sweden have published a study where it’s stated that ca 15 % of our 6 000 have died directly of C 19. Since we are talking about human beings I imagine it’s roughly the same at yours, so ca 15 % out of ca 50 000 or ca 6 000, and you can do the maths again.

I think that the pandemic should be taken seriously, and I have never believed it to be a conspiracy, or similar. What I do believe in is a measured, prudent and accurate approach with as little bad health in total (not just Corona then) as possible, for everyone in society. Draconian measures are not that in my opinion, I’m no medical expert, and have never claimed to be one. What I do see are ”so called medical experts on both sides claiming things with dead certaintity”, to make their point. Media is not very helpful there...

Real medical experts are not united about the ”correct approach” - united about that it is a serious situation, yes, but about the best and correct measures, no.

Quite a few medical experts, doctors and epidemiologists were interviewed recently over here. Some had ”Corona medical tunnel vision” and were screaming for tougher measures, others said, ”yes, I am an expert of medicine, but not on all bad things that come out of draconian measures, and we do know that they afflict bad health and death on people, so therefore we need to look at the whole situation and perspective, and have a measured approach”. I, myself, have so much more respect for the latter ones, than for the first that come across as omniscient and omnipotent, with often a grandeur personality.

Instead of pointing fingers at ordinary people who make mistakes, which makes them human in my opinion, one should point fingers at those responible for NHS and care homes for the elderly without enough capacity.

Germany, larger population than GB, some 80 million plus, have coped fairly well so far during the pandemic. Due to draconian measures, no, just take a look at their neighbour Belgium. Because of their high quality/capacity NHS.

Sweden have 5 ICU beds per 100 000 people, Germany have 30... Says a lot, I guess (don’t know) GB are more like us than Germany.

From day one I have been on about capacity, working conditions, stock, PPE, well trained and educated staff within the NHS and the care homes for the elderly, combined with measured and prudent, yes, measures.

The pandemic also, unfortunately, gives the Stasi types a field day - NB, talking about examples in Sweden, not about things posted on here.

Take care. 😊

[Baggiemadguern]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing! Keir Starmer is good at that too.

[SwedishBaggie]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing! Keir Starmer is good at that too.

But, you get it all wrong, it’s not about hindsight, it’s about the opposite. Looking and planning forward for what may come - same with countries (like mine) that ”dismantled the military” when the Soviet Union ceased to exist, not a very bright idea.

Keir Starmer - not a clue, new possible signing!? 😉