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Thread: 10 game review

  1. #11
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    We've made the nightmare error of building a squad to play one formation and then having to abandon it after a few games. It looked like the plan was to use Roberts and Rodrigues in free roles to rip teams apart but sadly we discovered that Roberts can only play off the right wing, and we ended up with no pace in the team to create the space to allow us to play.

    If we'd planned on playing 4-4-2 we wouldn't have kept Chicksen or DKE - neither of them look like fullbacks. Chicksen was re-born as a wide centre half or he'd have been gone. You'd also want 4 centre halves on the books especially with Lacey missing so many games and not believing Brindley or Chicksen can play there. And you'd want some more wing options, a midfielder than could protect your back 4 and a 2nd striker.

    We just don't have the players to make 4-4-2 work and there's no place for Rodrigues in that formation. He's too slow to play up front with Wootton, can't play as one of a 2 in midfield, and isn't a winger. He's ended up playing in a 10 role behind a static striker with no runners from midfield basically hoping the ball drops to him on the edge of the box.

    There is no easy fix to this. Either we go back to 5 at the back, can't fit Roberts into the team and have the slowest XI ever to take to the pitch or we play 4-4-2 with a lightweight midfield. There's enough rubbish in this league that we'll win games well every now and again, but equally we're prone to being turned over by any team that can sit tight and out-muscle us.

    I remember when it started to go wrong for Moniz and he had to tell Mike Edwards to get match fit in his role as conditioning coach, and started playing Smith again. Doyle will to come back in and then we're back to the Doyle and O'Brien dream team that were meant to keep us in L2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countygump View Post
    Keeper: OK, but could do with a decent back-up option.

    Defence: Not enough serious back-up options.

    Midfield: Lightweight.

    Forwards: Lightweight, not enough serious options.

    Year on year we're gettings progressively worse. It seems we are happy settling into being a decent Non-League team that wil more often than not flirt with the P/O's.

    Simply not good enough: From the players, the manager or the owners.
    Can I question your use of the word 'decent', Gumpy?

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    A thought provocing post from Nigel especially the first sentence.

    4-4-2 was never in the plan, probably never considered and we shouldn't try and get to that formation IMO.

    3-5-2, 4-3-3 and variations of those were however and can still work with some fine tuning. Last night appeared not to be about the above though more the (lack of) mentality , lack of experience and professionalism, poor game management from players, good finishing and coach, plus never coming to terms with the loss of a GK and 2 CBs simultaneously. The last two games could easily have been very different if any of the above had been significantly improved. I realise that offers very little crumbs of comfort but the contrast of first 70 and last 20 minutes of the last two games couldn't have been starker if you wrote the script yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidders View Post
    Can I question your use of the word 'decent', Gumpy?

    ''Decent'' as in good enough to be challenging/pushing for the match day shirt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laddo View Post

    3-5-2, 4-3-3 and variations of those were however and can still work with some fine tuning. Last night appeared not to be about the above though more the (lack of) mentality , lack of experience and professionalism, poor game management from players, good finishing and coach, plus never coming to terms with the loss of a GK and 2 CBs simultaneously.
    Good summary. I think Nigel is wrong. We played 4-2-3-1 last night. It wasn't the problem at all and R and R fit very nicely into it...and both did well...
    To add to your list on why we failed, I'll say 3 or 4 very poor individual performances we're sprinkled in there

    I think he's right about planning for a formation and abandoning it, though. This is an almighty f*** up. Some breakdown between club executives, recruitment and coaching team that left us without key players for the chosen system. If the squad's going to be this small, we didn't need both of Nemane and Mitchell, another holding midfielder and a proper RWB were higher priorities

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_anticlough View Post
    Good summary. I think Nigel is wrong. We played 4-2-3-1 last night. It wasn't the problem at all and R and R fit very nicely into it...and both did well...
    To add to your list on why we failed, I'll say 3 or 4 very poor individual performances we're sprinkled in there

    I think he's right about planning for a formation and abandoning it, though. This is an almighty f*** up. Some breakdown between club executives, recruitment and coaching team that left us without key players for the chosen system. If the squad's going to be this small, we didn't need both of Nemane and Mitchell, another holding midfielder and a proper RWB were higher priorities
    Obviously formations and tactics are very important, but so is guts, passion and desire. We only seem bothered with the first part, but it’s not working because our opponents also focus heavily on the second part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Pie View Post
    Obviously formations and tactics are very important, but so is guts, passion and desire. We only seem bothered with the first part, but it’s not working because our opponents also focus heavily on the second part.
    I think it can be too easy sometimes to put everything down to guts, passion and desire. If anything last night I would say we got too interested in getting involved in a scrap following their red card, when we just needed to use our brains to win the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_anticlough View Post
    Good summary. I think Nigel is wrong. We played 4-2-3-1 last night. It wasn't the problem at all and R and R fit very nicely into it...and both did well...
    To add to your list on why we failed, I'll say 3 or 4 very poor individual performances we're sprinkled in there

    I think he's right about planning for a formation and abandoning it, though. This is an almighty f*** up. Some breakdown between club executives, recruitment and coaching team that left us without key players for the chosen system. If the squad's going to be this small, we didn't need both of Nemane and Mitchell, another holding midfielder and a proper RWB were higher priorities
    I agree that R&R fit well into the 4-2-3-1 formation going forward but defensively the 3 offer no protection to the 2 midfielders and full backs.
    This is partially down to IB wanting to focus on creating attacks rather than players dropping back to close gaps but sometimes this is needed to close games out
    Some players last night looked lost in no mans land

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    We could start a petition for all Non-league games to be reduced from 90 minutes to 70 minutes

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    Great post, and nicely written. I’ve attended all but one of the home games up to now so I’ll try and add my two penneth worth to the pretty accurate observations you have already made!

    I think it was after the pre-season game against York that I, and some others, came on here and voiced (maybe prematurely - maybe not) our concerns about the style of play, the vulnerability at the back, and the perennial lack of presence in midfield. Any opposing manager that saw that game would have immediately identified how to play against us.

    The York number 9 caused havoc all game and won every ariel battle and the resulting knock downs and second balls resulted in numerous panicked defensive patterns and play and, eventually, three goals conceded. Our midfield was too easy to play through and large areas of space would open up for them to play passes out wide or even run into to make up ground. Our slow build up play would allow them to get back into position and set up a solid defensive base which they would happily sit in whilst we had the ball and unfortunately this is the kind of plan we have taken into our first ten games.

    I my hasn’t all been negative but I’d go as far as saying that the 15 points we have accumulated so far may even flatter us a little bit because before the sending of for Torquay they too were having joy with a direct approach against us. We have been muddling through games, shining in spells for 15-20 minutes but on the whole we have allowed the opposition too much respect and not enforced ourselves on them when we are in the ascendency. When we score we gift teams possession and territorial advantage and forget how to play or continue how we were playing. We are often the architects of our own downfall most of the time, not because we are torn open by slick passing or clever attacks.

    Our approach to winning games is naive, and the manager must take a lot of the responsibility for that. I do like IB, and his post match interviews do reflect what has been both good and bad about the performances, but the goodwill and understanding about his methods is rapidly wearing thin because very little changes from game to game. We do have talent in the squad but how it is being deployed or managed isn’t conducive to winning football matches at this level, there is a serious problem with the balance in which IB wants us to play and how we have to play to get results.

    I’ve seen some posts criticising our recruitment policy and that IB is a passenger in those decisions but I don’t fully believe that is the case. The owners went all out to get their man so I don’t believe they would force players on him. He is probably given a list of players within their budget that fits the style of play he/they want to use but it looks at the minute that they’ve got it badly wrong. It is a big test for them all now to see how stringently they hold on to their ideals about plying football this way. We can consistently win football matches playing good football, but not without winning the right to do so first, and this will be true until the day that football no longer exists.

    Winning the right to boss football matches comes from a mental, and more often than not, physical domination. You need to win your individual battles early and keep your foot on the throat of the opposition until they either tire or succumb to your will. At the minute I don’t see that in us. There isn’t a winning mentality through the squad and I don’t see it in either our captain or vice captain. We are a joy to play against because all of our players want to get on the ball but not do the hard yards and physical work to win the right to do so. We are just too nice…probably like IB at the minute. Training is a joy, full of good lads who get along, great facilities etc etc but who is keeping them grounded…driven and shouted at to do better?

    Our recruitment has been poor in finding ‘that’ midfielder who will hold firm in the proverbial stormy weather but also in instilling the same mentality amongst the squad. Where is the character needed to win these games we are letting slip us by? There is a lot of good stuff going on at the club at the minute, better than at any time I have followed the club I think, but they need to find a bit of ‘nastiness’ amongst them….even the owners come over as just really nice guys! I was actually glad IB got into a fight last night, and also that the players responded to it, we need that to a certain degree, and even more so in the coming weeks now the fans are turning with the weather. We have most of the ingredients in place, but a change of mentality in how we go about things wouldn’t go amiss….I bet James Rowe and Paul Hurst don’t give two hoots about who he or the clubs upsets, we’re in a business where winning is pretty much everything.

    In terms of style of play I think we need to rope it in a little. I’ve been critical of 4-4-2 before but in our case going back to basics, and getting it right, would be our best way forward instead of trying to be too clever. We almost have all the players to play the system that they’d all be comfortable with and it would still allow for good football.

    Our back five of Slocombe, Brindley, Rawlo, Lacey and Chicksen aren’t a problem..that should be easily as good as anything in the division. Midfield is slightly harder and where our problems stem from in my opinion. Nemane on the right, Roberts on the left interchanging with Nemane throughout the game and Wootton and Rodrigues up front in a two. Obviously there is one space left to fill…the centre mid place amongst Palmer. Here is where the owners really need to look at themselves. One semi decent physical domineering CM to sit alongside Palmer in a 4-4-2…will they be willing to spend on such a player? It’s all trivial though I guess, talking now of a change of system, as the owners and IB appear absolute on their position regarding this issue, but at what cost?

    Finally a little bombshell, and I imagine this will get a hostile response, but I think we play better as a team without Roberts in the line up….there, I’ve said it!
    Above is a fair summary in my humble opinion. I can only comment from seeing two games and listening to commentaries on a number of the others. The televised game against Wrexham was a back to the walls effort and the result was v good although we will gloss over the fact that Notts created v little going forward. I witnessed the game v Wealdstone and was a little shocked to see how ordinary Notts were that night and that was with Cameron, Slocombe and Lacey. In my view the away side were the better team for a large chunk of the game and I will never know how Notts managed to go in at half time with a 2-1 lead. Yes they improved at the start of the second and scored a third but when I expected them to then go onto win comfortably they did the opposite and allowed the visitors back into the game. I know it’s wrong to make hasty decisions but they did not look like a side who will contend for the automatic promotion spot and even 7th place may be a stretch.

    That said it does seem like many sides in NL this season seem to be able to turn expected results on their head. I posted on another thread advising that both the midfield and defence needed the addition of a strong character in each department who is able to provide the physicality required to compete in this league. Regarding Roberts my feeling was that he was trying too hard and endeavouring to carry the attacking threat on his own under the weight of our expectations. Obviously I can’t comment on his recent performances but, hopefully, someone on the sidelines has told him to relax a bit and his form will start to get back to that of two seasons ago. Furthermore his frustrations which have caused his ill discipline should dissipate.

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