Is there any point of playing tippy tappy football in tier 5?

[Rainbowpie]

IB wants us to keep the ball, control the game and is coaching the squad to execute this better all the time - to do it with purpose and intelligence.
I can't stand a long ball game which mean the opposition's coming back at you constantly. If you question the critics of IB's philosophy a bit further, it wouldn't be long before the words ''flick on'' are heard - the single-most useless strategy in football. I've said before, posts about basic playing style are a waste of time while IB's our Head Coach and IMO he's trying to play the right way and there's nothing wrong with it. And the idea that professional footballers in 2021, many coming through Premier and Championship academies, can't play a passing game is ridiculous.

Style is not our problem at all. Bravery, consistency, execution, experience. mental toughness were the question marks in those three defeats and they can apply to any playing style

Final point, players are trying to follow their training and instructions on the pitch - so anybody bawling 'gerritforward' from the Pavis needs to move to the away end

Agree with this totally
Watching Notts over the years playing the long ball game has been frustrating to say the least. Sometimes it's been effective other times not but on the whole not great to watch
I like how IB wants us to play. We still have a lot to learn and shouldn't be afraid to mix it up a bit with the occasional ball over the top
Mistakes will be made playing this style of football but hopefully lessons will be learnt from these mistakes and the players can grow in confidence playing this way
On a separate note i thought Brennan, Cameron, Palmer and JOB were outstanding on Saturday. A lot get said about the brilliance of R&R and rightly so but Palmer for me is just class
2 Assists and looks a different class on the ball.

[jacobncfc]

Hartlepool and Barrow have both gone up playing the style of football we’re playing, it’s not exactly unheard of.

[Elite_Pie]

Hartlepool and Barrow have both gone up playing the style of football we’re playing, it’s not exactly unheard of.

Playing the style of football we’re playing, or the style of football we’re trying to play?

I have no knowledge of the Hartlepool and Barrow promotion teams, but in the games I saw against them they had far more steel in midfield than we have. It’s good if you can pass through the opposition, not so good if they can also easily pass through you.

[the_anticlough]

Watching Notts over the years playing the long ball game has been frustrating to say the least. Sometimes it's been effective other times not but on the whole not great to watch
I like how IB wants us to play. We still have a lot to learn and shouldn't be afraid to mix it up a bit with the occasional ball over the top .

Yeah Rainbow, let's hope they do both of those things.

My most intense period of following Notts was the Jimmy/Wilko promotion and top flight years. What a team, and how ahead of his time was Wilko back then, getting the team to play out from the back with a 4-2-4...

We've seen a lot of nostalgia about the Warnock team ten years later. But as great as it was, I remember saying to my mates at the time that I saw us get promoted to the top flight without watching a single good game of football (having been spoilt with the Pedro, Don, Rash, Mair, Chiedozie and Supermac team).

Wilko's style proved good for promotion and 3 top flight seasons despite people like Gerry Gow telling him it would never work. Warnock's style is more fragile - once that urgency, super-motivated, up-and-at-em trick fades a bit you're left with poor footballers with bad playing habits. That's why Warnock's teams have burnt out and collapsed every time, why he relegated Notts and almost every other team he's managed. His style is based on winding up players to outperform and when that wears off you're not left with the the footballing habits/abilities you need to succeed. It's less sustainable. This is why fans have to be patient and get behind what the club and IB are trying too - they'll leave us with a footballing philosophy that'll serve us well for the next decade - good players able to play good, skilful football.

[SwalePie]

Yeah Rainbow, let's hope they do both of those things.

My most intense period of following Notts was the Jimmy/Wilko promotion and top flight years. What a team, and how ahead of his time was Wilko back then, getting the team to play out from the back with a 4-2-4...

We've seen a lot of nostalgia about the Warnock team ten years later. But as great as it was, I remember saying to my mates at the time that I saw us get promoted to the top flight without watching a single good game of football (having been spoilt with the Pedro, Don, Rash, Mair, Chiedozie and Supermac team).

Wilko's style proved good for promotion and 3 top flight seasons despite people like Gerry Gow telling him it would never work. Warnock's style is more fragile - once that urgency, super-motivated, up-and-at-em trick fades a bit you're left with poor footballers with bad playing habits. That's why Warnock's teams have burnt out and collapsed every time, why he relegated Notts and almost every other team he's managed. His style is based on winding up players to outperform and when that wears off you're not left with the the footballing habits/abilities you need to succeed. It's less sustainable. This is why fans have to be patient and get behind what the club and IB are trying too - they'll leave us with a footballing philosophy that'll serve us well for the next decade - good players able to play good, skilful football.

Great post that.

[SlockyNCFC]

Yeah Rainbow, let's hope they do both of those things.

My most intense period of following Notts was the Jimmy/Wilko promotion and top flight years. What a team, and how ahead of his time was Wilko back then, getting the team to play out from the back with a 4-2-4...

We've seen a lot of nostalgia about the Warnock team ten years later. But as great as it was, I remember saying to my mates at the time that I saw us get promoted to the top flight without watching a single good game of football (having been spoilt with the Pedro, Don, Rash, Mair, Chiedozie and Supermac team).

Wilko's style proved good for promotion and 3 top flight seasons despite people like Gerry Gow telling him it would never work. Warnock's style is more fragile - once that urgency, super-motivated, up-and-at-em trick fades a bit you're left with poor footballers with bad playing habits. That's why Warnock's teams have burnt out and collapsed every time, why he relegated Notts and almost every other team he's managed. His style is based on winding up players to outperform and when that wears off you're not left with the the footballing habits/abilities you need to succeed. It's less sustainable. This is why fans have to be patient and get behind what the club and IB are trying too - they'll leave us with a footballing philosophy that'll serve us well for the next decade - good players able to play good, skilful football.

Another +1 from me for this excellent post.

Whilst Warnock has clearly had success as a manager (not least at Notts) and deserves a level of respect, he is certainly not as infallible as some who revere him seem to believe. I have him in a similar bracket to Martin Allen and Sam Allardyce - very adept at short term jobs like getting there or thereabouts teams promoted or keeping limited teams up. His Plan A is fantastic when it works. Sooner or later, though, his blood and thunder methods wear out, there is no Plan B and the team unravels just the same as a manager insisting on playing the Dario Gradi way with no adaptability the other way.

You then either need to move on quickly or he'll have you back where you started.

[Elite_Pie]

This is why fans have to be patient and get behind what the club and IB are trying too - they'll leave us with a footballing philosophy that'll serve us well for the next decade - good players able to play good, skilful football.

I agree that we have to see this experiment through, I just don’t share your confidence that it will work.

[1955pie]

IB wants us to keep the ball, control the game and is coaching the squad to execute this better all the time - to do it with purpose and intelligence.
I can't stand a long ball game which mean the opposition's coming back at you constantly. If you question the critics of IB's philosophy a bit further, it wouldn't be long before the words ''flick on'' are heard - the single-most useless strategy in football. I've said before, posts about basic playing style are a waste of time while IB's our Head Coach and IMO he's trying to play the right way and there's nothing wrong with it. And the idea that professional footballers in 2021, many coming through Premier and Championship academies, can't play a passing game is ridiculous.

Style is not our problem at all. Bravery, consistency, execution, experience. mental toughness were the question marks in those three defeats and they can apply to any playing style

Final point, players are trying to follow their training and instructions on the pitch - so anybody bawling 'gerritforward' from the Pavis needs to move to the away end

I agree 100%.
There is one bloke in the Pavis Block B somewhere around row P or R who constantly shouts "Forward" the moment a Notts defender touches the ball (dozens of times a match). If we could move him to the away end please.
Maybe he posts on here ??

[Killerkline]

I agree 100%.
There is one bloke in the Pavis Block B somewhere around row P or R who constantly shouts "Forward" the moment a Notts defender touches the ball (dozens of times a match). If we could move him to the away end please.
Maybe he posts on here ??

Surely not. Are you sure it’s not ‘Gerrit forward’!?😂

[Mapperleypie]

IB wants us to keep the ball, control the game and is coaching the squad to execute this better all the time - to do it with purpose and intelligence.
I can't stand a long ball game which mean the opposition's coming back at you constantly. If you question the critics of IB's philosophy a bit further, it wouldn't be long before the words ''flick on'' are heard - the single-most useless strategy in football. I've said before, posts about basic playing style are a waste of time while IB's our Head Coach and IMO he's trying to play the right way and there's nothing wrong with it. And the idea that professional footballers in 2021, many coming through Premier and Championship academies, can't play a passing game is ridiculous.

Style is not our problem at all. Bravery, consistency, execution, experience. mental toughness were the question marks in those three defeats and they can apply to any playing style

Final point, players are trying to follow their training and instructions on the pitch - so anybody bawling 'gerritforward' from the Pavis needs to move to the away end

This.

I think some people watching Notts simply like to go for a good moan. If we were playing long-balls they would moan about that too. Some of them even moan when we win.

It's no coincidence that our 3 defeats have coincided with out experienced defenders/gk being out.