Ukraine & Putin.

[ClaretinBudapest]

[sinkov]

This is what our Foreign Secretary knows about Russia,

"According to Russian media reports, not denied by the UK side, Truss’s chilly encounter with her vastly more experienced Russian opposite number, Sergey Lavrov, included an exchange that went roughly like this.

Truss: ‘Russia must move its troops away from the Ukrainian border, or else…’ Lavrov: ‘Why should we? It’s up to Russia where it deploys its troops inside Russia’ (which, of course, it is). He then asked, for good measure: ‘Do you recognise Russia’s sovereignty over the Rostov and Voronezh regions?’ At which point Truss mounted her high horse and responded with all the authority of the UK’s chief diplomat: ‘The UK will never recognise Russia’s sovereignty over these regions.’

This is where the UK’s ambassador to Moscow, Deborah Bronnert, is said to have leant across to Truss and discreetly informed her that these regions were actually in Russia. Her assumption had apparently been that they were the two so-called breakaway regions on the Ukrainian side of the border."

And some people think this cretin could be taking over from Boris.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Where is the United Nations in all this?

We call the UN forces in Lebanon' Chocolate soldiers.' The U N forces patrol South Lebanon, whilst inside Lebanon I heard that Hezbollah personal beat up a few UN soldiers ,and took away their weapons.
What are the aims or objectives of the UNIFIL?
UNIFIL Fact sheet

Originally, UNIFIL was created by the Security Council in March 1978 to confirm Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, restore international peace and security and assist the Lebanese Government in restoring its effective authority in the area.

If in the U N mandate, it states, '' restore international peace and security ?'' Why is it claimed that 'Hezbollah' has about 160 K rockets in their arsenal, scattered in South Lebanon, ''where is the peace and security?'' ''Phuckin Cholate soldiers!!''

Who controls south Lebanon?
The area is now largely occupied by the Shiite Muslim Hezbollah, with Iran's help

The UN and a chocolate teapot are about as much use as each other Balan. Read about the genocide in Rwanda and weep.

[Swissclaret]

This is what our Foreign Secretary knows about Russia,

"According to Russian media reports, not denied by the UK side, Truss’s chilly encounter with her vastly more experienced Russian opposite number, Sergey Lavrov, included an exchange that went roughly like this.

Truss: ‘Russia must move its troops away from the Ukrainian border, or else…’ Lavrov: ‘Why should we? It’s up to Russia where it deploys its troops inside Russia’ (which, of course, it is). He then asked, for good measure: ‘Do you recognise Russia’s sovereignty over the Rostov and Voronezh regions?’ At which point Truss mounted her high horse and responded with all the authority of the UK’s chief diplomat: ‘The UK will never recognise Russia’s sovereignty over these regions.’

This is where the UK’s ambassador to Moscow, Deborah Bronnert, is said to have leant across to Truss and discreetly informed her that these regions were actually in Russia. Her assumption had apparently been that they were the two so-called breakaway regions on the Ukrainian side of the border."

And some people think this cretin could be taking over from Boris.

That is my point, sinkov. Too often, the West (read in particular the US and the UK) do not understand either the geography, the politics or the real issues. We only have to look at Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan to see the chaos ignorance causes.

That is not to defend Russia in all this. As CIB has outlined, there are two sides to every story. However, both Russia and the US are guilty of frequent misinformation to support their agendas. Who do we believe in the end?

Meanwhile Britain sends in a politician to front the discussions, whilst the Ambassador and the team on the ground are in the background. Another photo opportunity for Truss who sees herself as the next Thatcher.

[ClaretinBudapest]

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thats right - Buda..."one side of the story"....of course, it doesn't have to be so, but is what the PTB rely on, folk preferring to lap up the propaganda than questioning and researching "all" the ingredients - Start with War itself, it's foremostly a game of business, economy, monopolies, company conquest - and nation building means Profits...we in Britain should no all about that, that Great came from the Plunder of profiteers, knocking out the rivals, controlling the stock and manipulating/cornering the marketplace....unfortunately - winning the people over through fear and dreams of glory is for them, the easy part.

remember 2014, it was touted as a revolution, but as Buda pointed out, was a coup..but who was behind it ?

....we dont need to look far from home.

that Nuland-Pyatt phone conversation.
...a democratic solution and friendly Ukraine was Not the Plan.




and of couse, they Need a bad guy.... .






Buda comment below - see Nord stream 2.

You heard the wicked witch first hand on the leaked conversation just how much the Yanks value their European partners "**** the EU".The leader of the Western world-a beacon of democracy.

[sinkov]

I can't claim to understand just why, but there has been an increasing anti-Russian hysteria from our political class and media over quite a few years now. One driver of it is probably the Russian support for Assad in Syria, the West was going to topple him and his vile regime, but Putin has ensured it hasn't happened, and that has put a few noses out of joint. The Salisbury poisoning, the fact that Russian agents were operating with apparent impunity in the UK, seemed to tip some politicians and journalists over the edge as well, but there must be a lot more besides causing the hysteria.

An aspect of it that always amuses me are the occasional stories in the papers that a RN warship is 'shadowing' a Russian navy ship as it passes through the English Channel. Why do they bother, the Channel is an international waterway, the Russian Navy is perfectly entitled to sail through it as and when it wants. Does the MOD think the Russians are going to launch an invasion of the UK with one ancient warship and a couple of dozen sailors, or perhaps they think they might try to sink the Isle of Wight ferry. It's pathetic.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I can't claim to understand just why, but there has been an increasing anti-Russian hysteria from our political class and media over quite a few years now. One driver of it is probably the Russian support for Assad in Syria, the West was going to topple him and his vile regime, but Putin has ensured it hasn't happened, and that has put a few noses out of joint. The Salisbury poisoning, the fact that Russian agents were operating with apparent impunity in the UK, seemed to tip some politicians and journalists over the edge as well, but there must be a lot more besides causing the hysteria.

An aspect of it that always amuses me are the occasional stories in the papers that a RN warship is 'shadowing' a Russian navy ship as it passes through the English Channel. Why do they bother, the Channel is an international waterway, the Russian Navy is perfectly entitled to sail through it as and when it wants. Does the MOD think the Russians are going to launch an invasion of the UK with one ancient warship and a couple of dozen sailors, or perhaps they think they might try to sink the Isle of Wight ferry. It's pathetic.

It might sound a crazy notion sinkov but I don't think the US and UK have ever got away from Stalin's aggressive stance in Yalta when Churchill and Roosevelt attended the Ukraine to discuss how Russia would behave in a post war World.

The French have never quite got over how Charles de Gaulle was not invited to Yalta, in the same way us and the Yanks have never been able to jump the hurdle of Stalin's insistence that Russia retained a "sphere of political influence" in Central & Eastern Europe.

On a personal note, I have visited Russia twice for commercial reasons and I was horrified to learn Hitler's initial advance towards the Ukraine from Czechoslovakia and Poland led to the death of over TWENTY Million Soviet citizens between 1939 & 1945.

I know Stalin was no angel, but I discovered during my two trips the Russians do not have short memories, nor should they.

[sinkov]

D Day tomorrow, according to Western propaganda, Wednesday is the day Putin unleashes his dog's of war. Will he invade Ukraine, I agree with CiB, there will be no full scale invasion, and in response to the OP, I don't think Putin is either bonkers or a lunatic, although I'm not so sure about Biden, Boris or Macron.

[sinkov]

"Nothing Moscow says should be believed - Tom Tugendhat.
The Conservative chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee has said people should not pretend "we can believe anything that is coming out of Moscow".

Sometimes you just have to smile don't you.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Isn`t it a coincidence that all this tension in Ukraine is deflecting from the news that the Durham report has revealed that the 2016 Clinton campaign and the Dems were in fact spying on Donald Trump and continued on spying on him whilst president using a computer company with access to the servers in the White House.
Who was Hilary Clinton`s campaign manager claiming Trump was colluding with the Russians? Jake Sullivan-now Bidet`s National Security Adviser and the lying prick that is now claiming since December that Russia is about to invade Ukraine in the White House press conference`s.The last lie was that Putin is waiting for the ground to freeze.It has been frozen since December.It really would be laughable if the consequences were not so serious.
The people of the US and the West are being lied to on a massive scale.If they pick a fight with Putin and I personally think they will goad him into a war by attacking the autonomous states in the East then make out that Putin is the agressor.They are in for a rude awakening.There will be no gas in Europe for the forseeable future but I am sure the good ole USA will sell us some of their very environmentaly unfriendly LPG gas from fracking.Thereby there will be no electricity and factories will come to a standstill in Europe.There will be 5-10 million refugees from the Ukraine.Stock markets will collapse.
All for what? Ask yourselves that.

No idea CiB, I can't fathom what the agenda is anymore.

Geopolitical chess and futile posturing is not doing any of the global proletariat much good.

Time for the revolution.