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    double standards and risk escalation

    Quote Originally Posted by Barrera View Post
    I reckon Putin is just waiting for the Winter Olympics to end ..... so his Chinese friends don’t get offended ... then he will go in. Shameful the way Ukraine is being provoked by these so-called separatists and the constant disinformation campaign. Time to pull up the drawbridge with Russia IMO ...
    Russia is opposed to Ukraine in NATO - it sees that as a threat to its national security.

    You might remember the Cuban missile crisis. USA felt threatened by possibility of nuclear missiles in Cuba & forced a climbdown and Kennedy & Kruschev averted nuclear war.

    If you read the reason for JFK being killed a large part was the de-escalation of cold war tensions as both JFK & Kruschev were scared by the dangers and consequences of nuclear war - but the miiltary powers of USA especially were gung -ho for nuclear strikes admitting and accepting of 40 MILLION USA deaths in the first hour!!!!- JFK had to go

    Let's not be hypocrites- all NATO has to do is not admit Ukraine into the club or we head towards another Cuban missile type crisis & I don't think Biden can hang tough against his military

    So a simple solution- tell Ukraine it can't join NATO

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    The difference with Cuba was that nuclear weapons were already locked and loaded onto ships and on their way to being installed ..... here there is no chance of Ukraine joining NATO any time soon. ... if ever .... as it needs the approval of all NATO members ... and cannot see France or Germany allowing it ... this is all a ruse by Putin to stoke up tensions and provide an excuse to invade ...

    Putin’s actions have actually increased the chance of other countries joining Nato.

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    For me, this is history repeating itself. Germany was rudderless after WW1 much the same as Russia after the Berlin wall. A despotic leader came to power on the back of this, and the west didn't try and engage with them from the start. We have had a series of aggressive actions by Russia, including Salisbury, with no united actions from NATO. Now we have a procession of Western leaders beating a path the Putins door for an audience. He's loving it. Ukraine is Putins Annexation of Sudetenland. We do nothing at our peril

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titchfieldbaggie View Post
    For me, this is history repeating itself. Germany was rudderless after WW1 much the same as Russia after the Berlin wall. A despotic leader came to power on the back of this, and the west didn't try and engage with them from the start. We have had a series of aggressive actions by Russia, including Salisbury, with no united actions from NATO. Now we have a procession of Western leaders beating a path the Putins door for an audience. He's loving it. Ukraine is Putins Annexation of Sudetenland. We do nothing at our peril
    I need to change my glasses.

    I was alarmed when I read that last part, I thought you were stating that Putin was annexing Sunderland!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickd1961 View Post
    I need to change my glasses.

    I was alarmed when I read that last part, I thought you were stating that Putin was annexing Sunderland!
    Would that attract any complaint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kettering_baggie View Post
    Would that attract any complaint?
    They could run with that as a news headline followed by a story of a very large tumble weed blowing by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickd1961 View Post
    I need to change my glasses.

    I was alarmed when I read that last part, I thought you were stating that Putin was annexing Sunderland!
    Annexing Sunderland.....
    Supping me tea when I read that......now cleaning up tea from keyboard.....ah well...makes a change....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbag View Post
    Annexing Sunderland.....
    Supping me tea when I read that......now cleaning up tea from keyboard.....ah well...makes a change....
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    Can you imagine the translation issues!?🤣🤣

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    Like or loathe Putin, the facts are that he feels vulnerable from the Ukraine border, and he could have gone in a couple of weeks ago before NATO countries started moving arms into that country. Is he just testing the west to see how far they'll respond, as he might not be so sure that things could drastically change in Belarus over the next few years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindenbaggie View Post
    Like or loathe Putin, the facts are that he feels vulnerable from the Ukraine border, and he could have gone in a couple of weeks ago before NATO countries started moving arms into that country. Is he just testing the west to see how far they'll respond, as he might not be so sure that things could drastically change in Belarus over the next few years?

    The man is pure evil and has waited for this opportunity for years! Wouldn’t be surprised if they invade Ukraine and move on to former bloc countries! China meanwhile will then take Taiwan! Who or what can stop them?

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