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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaldy View Post
    Oz,

    I guess I'll clarify my statement. Masks don't work for covid. If you smell farts through a mask (you do... I know from first hand experience) then you sure will breathe in the virus. It's 200 times smaller than a fart molecule. It's kabuki theater and it's a sign you supplicate yourself to some bureaucrat that want's to see if you are docile enough to walk into the cattle car. we all did. The kids are still wearing them at the local school. .00002% death rate for elementary school kids and they have to wear those symbols of compliance all day. Many of them can't even function without wearing them.

    The vaccines don't work either. I know from first hand experience since I got covid in February of 2020 from someone that went to mickey mouse land and brought it back from someone from china. Later on I had to get the vaccine or I'd lose my job and I did. I still resent myself for bending my knee to some pharma company that made billions of dollars selling it to the government. They found out who the serfs were and who is going to cause problems down the road.

    Natural immunity is the best prevention and I had it. I'm fine with people getting the vaccine that were fortunate and had not gotten covid but once you've had it you'll have way more immunity than this "vaccine" will provide. who knows what this vaccine will do the the young kids that had almost no risk of dying but still were forced to take it.

    history will not be kind to this "pandemic". sooner or later people will figure out what really went on control, power and profit wise.
    And it's not just Covid where vaccines work. Smallpox killed millions until a vaccine was developed. It's now eradicated in all but the poorest and most difficult to vaccinate areas of the world. The MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) vaccine has seen incidence of those three killers/debilitators reduce by over 80% where used, and until the lies of Andrew Wakefield interfered, whose intervention/scare-mongering based on no scientific evidence whatsoever has resulted in an epidemic of Measles, rendering many ****agers sterile from the after-effects of adult measles, killing others, accepted as a "good thing"!!!!

    Vaccines work, and the recent experience of Covid vaccine development PROVES that development can be rapid, if there is a will to make it so.

    You originally suggested China was responsible for Covid, yet China, with its "zero covid" policy is killing its own economy whereas the rest of the world, slowly but surely, is returning to a semblance of normality. If anything, the virus has removed from many countries/regions of the world the old and infirm, leaving behind the fit, healthy, vigorous, productive! And as for control, have you seen the protests regarding covid controls, worldwide? They are indicative of a population that is LESS likely to accept government control than any since WWII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaldy View Post
    Oz,

    I guess I'll clarify my statement. Masks don't work for covid. If you smell farts through a mask (you do... I know from first hand experience) then you sure will breathe in the virus. It's 200 times smaller than a fart molecule. It's kabuki theater and it's a sign you supplicate yourself to some bureaucrat that want's to see if you are docile enough to walk into the cattle car. we all did. The kids are still wearing them at the local school. .00002% death rate for elementary school kids and they have to wear those symbols of compliance all day. Many of them can't even function without wearing them.

    The vaccines don't work either. I know from first hand experience since I got covid in February of 2020 from someone that went to mickey mouse land and brought it back from someone from china. Later on I had to get the vaccine or I'd lose my job and I did. I still resent myself for bending my knee to some pharma company that made billions of dollars selling it to the government. They found out who the serfs were and who is going to cause problems down the road.

    Natural immunity is the best prevention and I had it. I'm fine with people getting the vaccine that were fortunate and had not gotten covid but once you've had it you'll have way more immunity than this "vaccine" will provide. who knows what this vaccine will do the the young kids that had almost no risk of dying but still were forced to take it.

    history will not be kind to this "pandemic". sooner or later people will figure out what really went on control, power and profit wise.
    Natural IMMUNITY? Have you tried talking to people who have died and most importantly the non-believers of vaccines that have died or say talk to someone you so cal healthy that got over it but passed it on to others that have died? As for masks they are not to protect things coming in but to keep things within eg cough masks protect the germs from flying out. Again they aren't a fix rather than limiting the damage. Anyone would be silly to believe a vaccine made so quickly is a cure.
    history will not be kind to this "pandemic". sooner or later people will figure out what really went on in control, power, and profit-wise. Hasn't this been the case in human history.
    We have an election coming in 3 weeks. Gas electricity food and everything else is skyrocketing so much so that I have a little heater on my foot to heat me up rather than using the ducted heating. The politicians more or less wiped their hands and said such is life and have no plans to address them. In the end, all these crooks go down the same way as us and I sure hope to god they melt in hell for their greedyness and wrong doings.

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    Finally some good news.
    Leeds is touring Australia again pre-season.
    Hopefully, we will still be a premiership side and lots of new faces to digest.
    Either way, it's good to have great teams coming back to our shores.
    Who knows one day they might Call Australia Home

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    No one is suggesting vaccines don’t work but for a large part of the population who was young and healthy and who had already had COVID the natural immunity they acquired was at least as effective as being fully vaccinated. The scientific studies are out there.

    What has not really been discussed or debated and probably never will be is how that huge group was burdened for the benefit of the rest of us.

    The mRNA vaccines are incredible science but if you look at how they work and understand how the immune system works then the reason why is clear.

    I am not an anti vaxxer and think for the at tisk categories they have been a game changer and the speed of delivery was impressive but I do believe in people making informed decisions and that wasn’t really what was happening.

    Not sure I agree with kids without risk factors being vaccinated either and A lot of medics agree.

    The government reduced the choice to a binary decision and got out the propaganda machine to back it up when the decision was a lot more nuanced and different for different categories.

    It was probably ever thus and likely to ever be but hey ho.

    The other thing which gets missed which was equally as impressive was the development of therapeutic treatments to treat those with severe symptoms - which has been at least as important.

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    There are side effects from the vaccines. They are well known amongst the medical community. It's had the highest adverse reaction rate for a vaccine since the initial rollout of the German Measles vaccine in the 1960's. They are not risk free. This is especially the case for the young and healthy. Believe what you want but sooner or later the VARS data will get out. Pfizer and Moderna will be bankrupted as it will come out that they hid the adverse reactions. They may be exempt from liability from the vaccine production but they are not protected against fraudulently hiding the adverse reactions. These vaccines were mandated in many parts of the world without regard to the risk factor to the recipient or, for that matter their effectiveness. It's not as simple as saying anyone who does not get vaccinated doesn't give a hoot about people who might give covid to someone else. Vaccinated people spew out the virus as much as non vaccinated people. It may keep the vaccinated person from getting really sick but they don't stop the spread of the virus.


    Comparing rapidly developed and untested vaccines that don't really work in prevention or spread to vaccines such as Smallpox, MMR or Tetanus is disingenous. They are no more the same thing as comparing Politician to a healthcare worker.

    My wife is a retired nurse (2022) from a renowned childrens hospital in Indiana. My daughter is a stem cell/ CART nurse at the premier cancer hospital in Colorado. So yes.... I do know people who have died including friends of my wife and daughter. They know lots of patients that have died or been gourked out by covid or an adverse vaccine adverse reaction.

    We agree to disagree and let's just leave it at that. There is no right answer on this matter but it would be nice if all personal choice was not just eliminated by a politician. And yes, you did supplicate yourself if you vaccinated yourself and it was not your choice. If it was your choice that's great. It was not my choice so I bent my knee.

    FWIW- I believe that China has near a 90% vaccination rate. It's the highest in the world. What is happening now speaks for itself.

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    Really disappointed in you Spaldy You have A nurse wife and a daughter in medical! And all you have to show is barracking for Leeds a loser at that What happen man why didn't you become a dr?
    It's ok your a Dog lover all is forgiven as you have a soft side to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaldy View Post
    There are side effects from the vaccines. They are well known amongst the medical community. It's had the highest adverse reaction rate for a vaccine since the initial rollout of the German Measles vaccine in the 1960's. They are not risk free. This is especially the case for the young and healthy. Believe what you want but sooner or later the VARS data will get out. Pfizer and Moderna will be bankrupted as it will come out that they hid the adverse reactions. They may be exempt from liability from the vaccine production but they are not protected against fraudulently hiding the adverse reactions. These vaccines were mandated in many parts of the world without regard to the risk factor to the recipient or, for that matter their effectiveness. It's not as simple as saying anyone who does not get vaccinated doesn't give a hoot about people who might give covid to someone else. Vaccinated people spew out the virus as much as non vaccinated people. It may keep the vaccinated person from getting really sick but they don't stop the spread of the virus.


    Comparing rapidly developed and untested vaccines that don't really work in prevention or spread to vaccines such as Smallpox, MMR or Tetanus is disingenous. They are no more the same thing as comparing Politician to a healthcare worker.

    My wife is a retired nurse (2022) from a renowned childrens hospital in Indiana. My daughter is a stem cell/ CART nurse at the premier cancer hospital in Colorado. So yes.... I do know people who have died including friends of my wife and daughter. They know lots of patients that have died or been gourked out by covid or an adverse vaccine adverse reaction.

    We agree to disagree and let's just leave it at that. There is no right answer on this matter but it would be nice if all personal choice was not just eliminated by a politician. And yes, you did supplicate yourself if you vaccinated yourself and it was not your choice. If it was your choice that's great. It was not my choice so I bent my knee.

    FWIW- I believe that China has near a 90% vaccination rate. It's the highest in the world. What is happening now speaks for itself.


    The difference there mate is they vaccinated them all with their own vaccines. And you are right about the big companies When the small company I presume was small developing, the Astra vaccine they were spruiking fear tactics so much so phizer become the most wanted vaccine and then followed Moderna with the slogan more of a natural vaccine.
    As for when the truth comes out well Phizer has been getting away with murder for years why change now? Money speaks wars kill and only ones that suffer is the majority in favor of the minority profiteers.

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    Oz,

    I'll totally blow your opinion of me. I'm an insurance geek. Yes, I married up!

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    At least I'm not a politician, journalist or a lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaldy View Post
    At least I'm not a politician, journalist or a lawyer.
    That's good news but just the same you are not far behind them He He
    Lawyers banks, man they have really drained me with my house. The settlement is on the 10 next month and the deposit money is sitting in a real estate trust waiting to be released to me so I can get a car and go find my new place. So far because of them I have put in and lost 4 units in retirement villages because no money to put down a deposit. I contacted the Lawyer yesterday and asked them what happen to you pushing for the early release which you are charging me 700 dollars? She blamed the bank holding the mortgage holding things up and said I can ring them instead to speed things up! I said WTF and hung up.
    So I am in limbo with no money no car and 10 days I have to be out of the house.

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