Trouble in Germany

[baggieal]

In the same way you get your history checked before you can work with kids or the vulnerable I believe the same checks should be in place before a passport is issued WCV.

If you have been found guilty of any offence involving violence, criminal damage of public or private property, drug gangs and such like it should be impossible to hold a passport for an initial 10 year period since the last crime on your record.

It’d also help if a criminality check was necessary to be passed before any club issued a season ticket.

I know this doesn’t preclude people who pay on the day but if criminality was a reason for refusing club season ticket or club membership it would still a lot of the lowlife from getting easy tickets for games abroad and at away grounds.

I’m not interested in bowls of derision about civil liberties either.

I’ve lived for almost 61 years without a criminal record as have the vast majority of people and if you have nothing to fear then rules like the above are not a problem.

Regardless of whether you have a passport or not you are not allowed to travel to the USA if you have a criminal record - everything must be declared and they check! Pity the U.K. does not adopt the same response for those wishing to enter!

[Albionic68]

Technology these days makes the likelihood of mistaken identity or a fit-up small at worst, easy to place someone at the scene based on their phone location & CCTV.........

With the greatest of respect, you are stunningly naive. Genuinely hope you never find yourself in the position I found myself in thanks to the boys in blue.

Took 18 months and three court appearances to clear my name. Even then I didn't get an apology and have to declare the events surrounding my wrongful arrest whenever I have a new security check.

Technology and scene are two weapons in their armoury which you can use in your defence. But ultimately it boils down to their word against yours. And if they want you, they want you.

[Albionic68]

Let me be clear, I’m not a fan of the police in general but we’re talking about something different here.

Due to the nature of humans as a species there will always be bad people in policing and in the judicial system but......

The majority of people who end up with convictions are guilty.

Let’s be honest about this, most of us who support a club know of fans of our club who are loose cannons and troublemakers.

It’s like anything in life, a few innocent always get caught unfairly in the actions of the many who cause the trouble.

I still maintain it’s not difficult to identify and block the perennial idiots.

If you’ve been done once for antisocial behaviour or violence there’s a very slim possibility you might actually be innocent and you’ve been “fitted up” by another person or the police.

If you’ve got multiple blots on your copybook this isn’t going to be ongoing targeting by police, it’s going to be because you’re a nasty t w a t.

Let me be clear, this is a very broad brush you're applying to your point.