Bombing Ukrainian Cities

[WBA1955]

I recommend people reading Prisoners of, Geography which explains how the natural landscapes determines countries politics and fears.

[mickd1961]

I agree with this, people should study history rather than banging a drum and wishing a world catastrophe on us all. I have seen on here many times that Putin doesn't care because he is almost seventy, it appears a lot of our older members think like that as well.
Ukraine was known as Little Russia for years and only became independent in the chaos of the fall of the USSR.
Nobody moaned when we travelled the length of the world to invade the Falklands which arguably Argentina had as much claim to.
I don't know about Ukraine being corrupt but the people are definitely racist as we have seen when England have played there.
I am no fan of Putin, he's just another jumped up dictator in charge of a fading empire, but he's no Hitler, Hitler would have conquered Europe by now.

The thing is Des, in a democratic and supposedly free society you’re supposed to respect sovereignty.

Geographically I agree, it seems ludicrous that the Falklands and Gibraltar should be under our rule BUT.........how strange that this is what the residents want.

You’d be completely against people just taking what they want in life I’m sure, Putin is just the archetypal playground bully.

I’m no expert but if Ukraine Democratically broke away from Russia along with many other regions then that’s their self determination taking place and fair play.

It’s like Scotland voting to break away under Sturgeon and then a future lunatic English PM deciding to invade them and start bombing.

Is that what you’re advocating here because I don’t really understand your argument?

[Omegstrat6]

I recommend people reading Prisoners of, Geography which explains how the natural landscapes determines countries politics and fears.

Read this and it is a good read and always prompts me to think of Africa especially. Look at the map and all those straight lines that resulted from the European imperial powers dividing the continent up with little regard to geographical detail or tribal boundaries. Small wonder conflicts continue today in so many African countries between different tribal peoples.

As regards Ukraine though, I don't quite get your point. The old Soviet Union and the later Russian Federation covers a vast geographic area and encompasses many different peoples and cultures which probably explains why only a very autocratic form of government could bind them all together. But if the overwhelming population of Ukraine -or any other other region-want to break free and establish themselves as a separate country why shouldn't they? I cannot see any legitimate argument to support Putin's position. Of course he is acting no differently than the great Imperial powers-including Great Britain- had done in the past, but it does not make it right.

[Omegstrat6]

I recommend people reading Prisoners of, Geography which explains how the natural landscapes determines countries politics and fears.

Agree it's a good book and worth reading as is Timothy Snyder's "Bloodlands-Europe between Hitler and Stalin" that seeks to explain how the experiences of those countries who suffered under both these regimes informs their politics and culture so much today.

[Dubbag]

The way forward for humanity is not through dictatorships or autocratic rulers. The world is imperfect and made even more imperfect by these subset forms of ruling. I am no lover of USA and there own war mongering but this is different. Comparisons with the WWII are outdated as is that thinking for caparison. This 2022 and lots wrong in the world but there are things we humans can do.
But with everything it is your own choice that will be based on your own understanding and beliefs.
Just don't suppose you know what the jig saw is when you are missing soooo many pieces.

[WBA1955]

I think anyone who incites world war 3 be it Putin or the west are seriously deranged.
Putin is many things but not a complete idiot, he would only use nuclear weapons as an equaliser.
The nearest we have come to nuclear Armageddon is in 1962 and the Cuban missile crisis.
Later Kruschev said in his memoirs that he would never have started WW3 because America would have wiped Russia out.
Sixty years later the Soviet Union is long gone and Russia is nowhere near the power it was, while the US is the most powerful and technological advanced nation on earth.

[wbaliquidator]

It’s really very difficult to start an all-out nuclear war.
Firstly, USA and the RF have linked systems where each are aware that the other is in a state of readiness. The monitoring system are super high-tech space-age stuff
You can’t just press a button; the ICBM will need to prepared to some degree. Total all out war US Vs RF is very unlikely.

Europe is however a different story where locally based submarines could potentially attempt to launch a pre-emptive strike. Remember one rocket will carry multiple war heads destined for multiple targets.
Either way Putin still needs 2 others to actually commit to launch.

Lot of debate discussing if Putin is Mad or Bad.
Consensus is that he is NOT mad far from it.
Most agree he is bad, very very bad , just How bad can he get that’s the question.

[baggieal]

It’s really very difficult to start an all-out nuclear war.
Firstly, USA and the RF have linked systems where each are aware that the other is in a state of readiness. The monitoring system are super high-tech space-age stuff
You can’t just press a button; the ICBM will need to prepared to some degree. Total all out war US Vs RF is very unlikely.

Europe is however a different story where locally based submarines could potentially attempt to launch a pre-emptive strike. Remember one rocket will carry multiple war heads destined for multiple targets.
Either way Putin still needs 2 others to actually commit to launch.

Lot of debate discussing if Putin is Mad or Bad.
Consensus is that he is NOT mad far from it.
Most agree he is bad, very very bad , just How bad can he get that’s the question.

I would say he’s mad and bad. To send in Wagner to gang rape civilians, torture them and execute is deranged - no worse than Hitler!

A quote below from our resident snowflake:

USA alone has sent over $15billion to Ukraine one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

Yes there’s been corruption in Ukraine but Russia must be one of the most corrupt countries in the world! How did most of the Oligarch’s get their money? Can you imagine Liz Truss having the same bank account as Putin!!! Putin has made sure there’s no democracy and silenced any opponents or sentenced them to death. Speak out about Putin’s war machine you get a 15 year stretch!

That’s BORDERING on a sick sick man who at his age should be in the garden or enjoying his fraudulent stash!