McClean whinging again.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

McLean us a sh*thouse, full stop.

He was good in Die Hard though

[millertop]

If he’s getting abuse at games then understandable it needs looking into but he needs to ****ing grow up and stop bringing it in on himself in some cases
Also if he doesn’t want/agree with poopy or minute silence then I’ve no problem with him standing at side of pitch out of way but by no means turn your ****ing back and not expect a backlash

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Oh, for the good old days to return.

If only, for a day.

" any last requests?"

Yes, did I tell you I'm a vegan

[LittleSquirt]

McLeans problem is not that he doesn't go along with all these things, poppies, queen etc, but that he actively makes a meal out of not doing so. He could just not do something, but he has to make a song and dance about it. And that's when it turns from quietly declining to join in with what others are doing, to making it known he isn't and turning it into a protest. And then he moans when he gets abused for actively making it known he is not joining in.

Yes we get why you don't wear poppy, but there is a difference between just not wearing one and making a point of telling the whole world that you aren't. People might except it more if he didn't make a song and dance over it. If he quietly respected those that do, people might respect why he doesn't.

[Brin]

McLeans problem is not that he doesn't go along with all these things, poppies, queen etc, but that he actively makes a meal out of not doing so. He could just not do something, but he has to make a song and dance about it. And that's when it turns from quietly declining to join in with what others are doing, to making it known he isn't and turning it into a protest. And then he moans when he gets abused for actively making it known he is not joining in.

Yes we get why you don't wear poppy, but there is a difference between just not wearing one and making a point of telling the whole world that you aren't. People might except it more if he didn't make a song and dance over it. If he quietly respected those that do, people might respect why he doesn't.

LittleSquirt, very valid points you make there. Thing is he's the type never to try that because he wouldn't be getting his 15 minutes of annual fame.

[John2]

McLeans problem is not that he doesn't go along with all these things, poppies, queen etc, but that he actively makes a meal out of not doing so. He could just not do something, but he has to make a song and dance about it. And that's when it turns from quietly declining to join in with what others are doing, to making it known he isn't and turning it into a protest. And then he moans when he gets abused for actively making it known he is not joining in.

Yes we get why you don't wear poppy, but there is a difference between just not wearing one and making a point of telling the whole world that you aren't. People might except it more if he didn't make a song and dance over it. If he quietly respected those that do, people might respect why he doesn't.

Sorry, but you've completely missed the point.

You're saying he shouldn't protest if he doesn't want abuse.

In a free society, why shouldn't he feel comfortable protesting if that's what he wants to say?

That's not free speech.

There is a big distinction between being disagreed with, and being subjected to abuse.

People who don't really care about that distinction are at risk of turning us into the sort of country that the people who fought for this country were fighting against.

[LittleSquirt]

Sorry, but you've completely missed the point.

You're saying he shouldn't protest if he doesn't want abuse.

In a free society, why shouldn't he feel comfortable protesting if that's what he wants to say?

That's not free speech.

There is a big distinction between being disagreed with, and being subjected to abuse.

People who don't really care about that distinction are at risk of turning us into the sort of country that the people who fought for this country were fighting against.

I'm not saying that at all. I have not said he shouldn't protest. But not agreeing does not have to be turned into a protest. He could quietly decline to be involved, and respect those that do want to. But he doesn't. He spoils that mark of respect others are making by drawing attention to himself.

In your free speech world you are within your rights to talk loudly on your phone in the middle of a minutes silence in memory of someone you hated. But you can expect abuse for it for not respecting that other people do want to uphold that minute silence.

[MillerBill]

I'm not saying that at all. I have not said he shouldn't protest. But not agreeing does not have to be turned into a protest. He could quietly decline to be involved, and respect those that do want to. But he doesn't. He spoils that mark of respect others are making by drawing attention to himself.

In your free speech world you are within your rights to talk loudly on your phone in the middle of a minutes silence in memory of someone you hated. But you can expect abuse for it for not respecting that other people do want to uphold that minute silence.

This is a football message board NOT a party political platform.

[MillerBill]

This is a football message board NOT a party political platform.

That was meant for John the politician not Squirt.

[John2]

This is a football message board NOT a party political platform.

Who started this political thread?

Why do you have a go at me but not them?