Brexit deal finally completed. Done Deal.

[Leicesterbaggie]

Yes Tipps, the cost of transporting the goods was the only logical reason why I thought that they couldn’t go directly to the ROI.

[WBA123]

Yes Tipps, the cost of transporting the goods was the only logical reason why I thought that they couldn’t go directly to the ROI.

Because you can't have NI adhering to UK rules, and ROI adhering to European rules and then not have a hard border running between the two.

We will have different standards and tariffs. It becomes open to abuse. This is the main issue that Brexiteers can't get their heads around. If you have two separate markets, you will need checks and balances at either side.

Lets say we do what you propose though....here's an example of what will happen....

Lets say we have a tariff of 20% on cheese imports to protect our domestic cheese market (please don't now go into all details of things about cheese, I've used it as an example only)...but the EU is tariff free for Cheese. A large importer could in theory bring it to ROI, move it without any checks at the NI border. And then infiltrate it into the UK market without paying the 20% tariff and undermining our domestic Cheese industry - of which thousands of jobs rely on. Because of cheap imports. (It doesn't have to be cheese, it could literally be any product)

You could also use the same example about any food products that may be banned in the UK, but not in the EU. And of course this works in reverse, there may be food standards the UK now lower which may not meet EU standards.

So anyone who says that we should just be able to move products tariff and check free between the UK and EU (which we had in the SM), and that the EU are being difficult...can they spot the issue above? The reason we have tariffs is to protect domestic industry. The reason we have checks is to uphold our own health and safety standards.

By leaving the EU and negotiating our own trade deals, the EU were never going to give us the same access to their market as when we were in the Single Market, and why would they? We could undermine their industry and fill their market with products that don't meet their H&S standards.

I've heard a lot of stupid people say things like the EU are being awkward and difficult over the NI border, and by not giving us access to the SM. These people are deluded and/or stupid and/or ignorant. They don't deserve any time of day.

[Leicesterbaggie]

I do understand and take your points 123 but I’m just trying to get my head around it all, as many others are!

[WBA123]

I do understand and take your points 123 but I’m just trying to get my head around it all, as many others are!

Trade deals are complex, you have to go through each commodity code and understand the impact that has on your market should you open up access to it from another market.

There are industries, such as steel, which have been crumbled because of cheap foreign imports. All of our industry is negotiable, because we might give up steel to a foreign market in exchange for say, financial services and balance whether it is positive overall for us to do so - do you see how it works? Its a negotiation.

For the US trade deal for example, we'd say we'd like access to X market and they'd say yes if we can have access to your Y market. Then we have to mull over whether it is a good deal for us or not. Its why fishing drives me mad, its worth less than 0.1% of our GDP - in the scheme of things it should never have even been a conversation in the referendum. It also helps having something to negotiate with, we had a lot more bargaining chips being in the EU than being outside of it.

In fairness you're not alone, many people are still trying to get their head around it - and we're 7 years on from 2016. It was a really big mistake to have the referendum at all in my view, because most people do not understand international trade deals. They don't understand that Brexit undermined peace in NI and the Good Friday Deal because it affected the border. They don't understand how different markets work. They didn't understand the value of being in the Single Market. These are highly specific issues that should be dealt with by trade experts. Not put out to the general public alongside a mass information overload full of lies. Most people voted for Brexit because of immigration, and I would say leaving the EU has made immigration worse and not better.

And we're in a situation today where our PM is celebrating NI having access to the EU SM and the UK market. Its precisely what we had pre 2016. Its depressing we're in this mess but its what happens when people vote for charlatans and liars.

[soulman101]

We never voted to join the EU, we voted to join the common market in 1975.
We tried to join in the 60s , but De Gaule blocked us.
We was one the biggest contributes, yet we was treated like sh#t by both the Germans and the French.
Glad we are out.

[WBA123]

We never voted to join the EU, we voted to join the common market in 1975.
We tried to join in the 60s , but De Gaule blocked us.
We was one the biggest contributes, yet we was treated like sh#t by both the Germans and the French.
Glad we are out.

And this is the reason it should never have gone out to vote. You shouldn't have had a vote in the 70s and you shouldn't have had one in 2016. Because you and 99% of people don't understand it.

[soulman101]

And this is the reason it should never have gone out to vote. You shouldn't have had a vote in the 70s and you shouldn't have had one in 2016. Because you and 99% of people don't understand it.

Remainers only have one view, I voted against it in 75 and out in 2016.

[WBA123]

Remainers only have one view, I voted against it in 75 and out in 2016.

As I've said many times, anyone who thinks after the last 7 years that Brexit is still a good idea, either has vested interests or is quite dim and unintelligent.

We all have our opinions, that's mine.

[Leicesterbaggie]

I’m sorry 123 but to state that anybody who voted to leave the EU is dim and unintelligent is insulting to many extremely intelligent people in this country who did vote to leave. You have your opinions and you are perfectly entitled to them and I will listen to them but I cannot accept the insults. A maxim that you should take note of is ‘ You don’t have to blow my candle out to make yours shine brighter’.

[soulman101]

I value my compassion, my humility, my common sense, my life experience and my nerves of steel.
Above my 5 year full tech City and Guilds and HNC electrical engineering .
But if that makes me dim and unintelligent , for having the right to vote for Brexit, so be it.