quality defenders

[SBRed48]

Playing it out from the back from a short goal kick should only be employed by teams who have the defensive players with enough technical ability to make it work. Lesser players/ teams make a complete b0ll0cks of it one out of four times or it ends up with a defender hoofing it forward in a rush. Barnsley do not have defensive players with the technical skills to do this, especially against the better teams of the league

All this high press/ gegenpresser jargon is simply a team trying to win back possession as early as possible in the opponents half rather than falling back to take up a defensive shape. The team needs forwards and midfielders fit and mobile enough to run for 90 mins or put on five subs at half time as Ismael did. With the likes of Watters and Cosgrove up front and a one paced midfield Barnsley does not have the players with the pace/ energy to make the tactic work.

Is the "high press" this "Barnsley Way" you speak of Nudge ? The one where Genius James only identifies players who can play this way ?

[Young_Nudger]

Val's football looking back was pure underdog football , it wasn't all industrial but it was cringeworthy enough .

It was acceptable because we bloodied the noses of the big boys and it cheered us all up at a very difficult time in history .

And it was cringeworthy , when I got back to work and some of the lads who supported other clubs had watched us it was hard to defend some of their anti football comments even though we were winning .

Even though we all know Conway was a dyck he was right about the players not attracting bids , they didn't attract bids for a reason and that was because of the style of play , the football market wasn't convinced and they were right not to be convinced .

A pure underdog tactic that has no place in league one when you are a club who should be competing at the top of it , I don't believe the paying fans would tolerate it either .

If we were in the championship with ten games to go and in the bottom three and that style of football got us safe then that's a different thing altogether .

Are the paying fans tolerating the Collins style ???
Only got to look at social media and the BBS to realise that they are not.

I can’t think of one of the Ismael players that was given away - they are either still at the club or were sold.
From Dike (who wasn’t ours) to Morris and Brittain, Mads, Helic, Mowatt, Palmer were all sold eventually.
It seems Conway wanted his money there and then.

Ismael has been a massive loss to the club.
If he was here now then with the quality of players we have got compared to other 1st Division clubs we would be points clear at the top of the league.
He fitted the Barnsley Way hand in glove.
He brought the best out of the players that James identified as being able to play the blitzkrieg style of the Barnsley Way.
Collins simply doesn’t.
So IMO - Collins needs to change the style back to the Barnsley Way or he needs to leave the club.

[SBRed48]

I can’t think of one of the Ismael players that was given away - they are either still at the club or were sold.
From Dike (who wasn’t ours) to Morris and Brittain, Mads, Helic, Mowatt, Palmer were all sold eventually.
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I think only Dike was brought in on loan as a major transfer move during Ismael's one season at the club before they left for the glory and riches at WBA. Could well be wrong but not many players who came and went could be described as "Ismael players", who came because he was HC here. Conway, representing the Investor Group, complained it was a poor season because no bids for players were received and few profits for the Investor Group could be delivered.

[SBRed48]

Are the paying fans tolerating the Collins style ???
Only got to look at social media and the BBS to realise that they are not.

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There must be two BBS message boards.

On the version I read any poster offering any opinion not fully behind the club on any issue, including playing style, is immediately rounded upon, mocked and denigrated, often with personal abuse, by the dozen or so regulars of The Club Loyalist Pack.

[Young_Nudger]

Nudge , I have just watched a 9 minute highlights video of the game last night & if you were not at the match I suggest you do because you may want to amend your comment about the quality of defenders being at fault , the defending for all three of their goals was schoolboy at best in fact Sunday league might be a better description , it was shocking , concentration level = zero .

Williams asleep for their 1st and 3rd goals.
Didn’t make the tackle for the 1st.
Wasn’t inline leaving their player onside for the 3rd.

Never liked Williams as a wingback because although he has speed to burn - he never used that speed enough to frighten opposition defenders when going forward.
BUT - he’s a good defender - and he’s been playing great at centre back this season.
One of our best players this season.

Didn’t watch the game - but on the evidence of the highlights it looks like the players (especially in front of goal) were stuck in 2nd gear.

[Young_Nudger]

There must be two BBS message boards.

On the version I read any poster offering any opinion not fully behind the club on any issue, including playing style, is immediately rounded upon, mocked and denigrated, often with personal abuse, by the dozen or so regulars of The Club Loyalist Pack.

Yes - you are definitely reading something that isn’t the BBS.

[SBRed48]

Yes - you are definitely reading something that isn’t the BBS.

Really.

I can't be arsed to do it but I could give at least three examples from just yesterday. Go on then, I'll give you one with milder language--

On whether we are doing well this season on account of kind fixtures etc--
Rosco " We're doing fine but you can't explain that to the idiots on account of their idiocy"

Acido ( TykesMad Moderator in reply) "There's none so blind as those that won't listen"

[Young_Nudger]

I think only Dike was brought in on loan as a major transfer move during Ismael's one season at the club before they left for the glory and riches at WBA. Could well be wrong but not many players who came and went could be described as "Ismael players", who came because he was HC here. Conway, representing the Investor Group, complained it was a poor season because no bids for players were received and few profits for the Investor Group could be delivered.

You have placed the cart before the horse.

Surely you do know that head coaches don’t bring in players - although that rule may have been tweaked slightly during the Stendel and Struber seasons.
Players are recruited via the James Cryne company - those players have to have certain attributes to fit the system.
Head coaches are brought in to get the best out of that system.
If they come in and change the system then we are not seeing the best from the team.
Collins has changed the system.
Barnsley supporters that watched Stendel, Struber, Ismael and Duff teams are not used to watching…..
….. sideways, backwards, slow, tippy tappy, crab style football.

Conway may have wanted income from transfers for the investment group.
But my understanding was that to his credit he wanted money from sales to be ploughed back into recruitment.
That’s because he knew if need be James was able to provide a supply of unpolished gems.

They always said that sales followed by new players was the way the team would be built.
My only complaint about that - is that the board should have been using some of their own money to build the team.
And that’s how I interpreted what Chien Lee had to say when he came over to watch the Swansea semi final - ‘win or lose the team would be stronger next season’.

It wasn’t - because Lee and Conway killed the goose that lays the golden eggs.

[animallittle3]

Are the paying fans tolerating the Collins style ???
Only got to look at social media and the BBS to realise that they are not.

I can’t think of one of the Ismael players that was given away - they are either still at the club or were sold.
From Dike (who wasn’t ours) to Morris and Brittain, Mads, Helic, Mowatt, Palmer were all sold eventually.
It seems Conway wanted his money there and then.

Ismael has been a massive loss to the club.
If he was here now then with the quality of players we have got compared to other 1st Division clubs we would be points clear at the top of the league.
He fitted the Barnsley Way hand in glove.
He brought the best out of the players that James identified as being able to play the blitzkrieg style of the Barnsley Way.
Collins simply doesn’t.
So IMO - Collins needs to change the style back to the Barnsley Way or he needs to leave the club.

Let me provide you with an example of what Conway probably meant .

Coventry City went one game further than ourselves but unfortunately lost The Championship Play Off .

They sold two players on the back of that season for £37.5m combined .

[EthelRed]

Solbauer and Frieser given away or bundled as end of contract.

There are two examples Nudger.